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  • BharatPremi
    12-13 04:27 PM
    we, as non citizens, obviously do not have all the rights that the citizens possess. We don't know whether this rule is or is not constitutional (And as someone rightly pointed out that the expertise of a constitutional attorney is required).

    However if it can be shown that certain citizens/corporations ( for example microsoft, google etc who also make efforts and lobby congress to change the law ) are unduly disadvantaged by this per country cap, then they can be plaintiff. So in a sense, we have allies in the corporate sector with tons of money (and who want to make more!) So they might be willing to support us,
    if it is indeed found that the rule can be challenged.

    Let's assume that it can not be fought within US Constitutional framework then do we have a choice to bring this to international court level? Can US prove that keeping per country immigration quota for EB categories is not a discrimination but a policy to protect its citizens or per say to protect its industry/economy?

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  • polapragada
    09-24 12:12 AM
    I like this idea. And will support it. ANd write the E-mail

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  • vinrobo
    07-21 01:56 PM
    I had my first encounter 10 years ago while in India. Escaped the scene and felt bad that time about it.
    But now I have become good at it and just let them politely know about my policy of not "owning a business".

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  • gc_chahiye
    06-27 10:46 PM
    Sorry my number was wrong...

    Its not 80,000 , it is 129,973.. That is also as of March 2007..

    look at link

    8000 Indians (almost the complete 7% ANNUAL limit for I485) were PERM certified in the first quarter of fiscal 2007 (oct-dec 2006) itself! No wonder we have big backlogs for India...

    An older stat, for the first year of PERM (march-05 to march-06):
    shows that 80K cases were filed, and of these 36K certified. Assuming of the 23K rejections 14K were appealed and then got through, that means only 50K PERM approvals in the whole year. As dates retrogress in the future, and slowly start moving again, they should hopefuly cross this march-2005 to march-2006 timeframe fairly fast... Some of these I140s would have gotten denied, some of these cases possibly abandoned (no substitution also now!), and some I485s would get caught in namechecks and what not..


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  • sachug22
    09-15 02:17 PM
    Here are my Estimate of pending EB2 India case for give years

    <=2004 2000
    2005 10000
    2006 13000
    2007(july) 5000
    Total 30000

    This number is very close to Ron Gocthers number prediction a few months back (minus sept approvals).

    Collaboration on visa quota data/analysis - Page 6 - Immigration Information Discussion Forum (

    Pending as of 15 July 2009 145000
    EB2 50000
    EB3 94000
    EB2India (2.4/3.5 EB2) 35714

    We can use the LCA number and come close these numbers as well

    EB2 India LCA for 2005 = RIR (3000) + PERM (60% of 7290) ~ 7400
    Assuming 20% abandon applicant we get = 5900
    1.2 dependent per applicant give ~ 13000 I-485 applicantions
    Assuming 10% approved in 2008 and 10% rejected/abandon I-485 and 5% cross-charageability we get => pending 10000 pending I-485 application for 2005

    India PERM applications = 18000
    EB2 India PERM applications (60%) = 10800
    Assuming 20% abandon applicant we get = 8640
    1.2 dependent per applicant give ~ 19000 I-485 applicantions
    Assuming 10% approved in 2008 and 10% rejected/abandon I-485 and 10% cross-charageability we get => pending 13000 pending I-485 application for 2006

    So if we see spillover of more than 30K the date will move beyond July 2007.

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  • Michael chertoff
    07-03 02:48 PM
    I applied for EAD paying old fees in Jul 2007, and I renewed with new fees this year in Jun 2008, would like know if I need to pay renewal fees again when I renew my EAD in Jun 2009.

    Brother for this type of questions it is better if you can read the Instructions.



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  • hopefulgc
    02-13 02:46 PM
    Agreed ... lawsuits work. The links are very encouraging.
    At the very least, we force them to respond & address the problem right away rather than just ignoring us like they have been doing all the time we have been lobbying.

    In our case, the "outs" they have to make us go away are very convenient...
    they would very likely agree to recapture.

    Lawsuits do work. Apparently nobody checked the links I posted on page 1 so here are a few examples:

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  • gcpool
    10-18 03:09 PM
    Say even if you get the canadian PR, you have to pay tax's close to 45%.

    Medical is free but unless you are really sick or anticipate being sick, I think its not much of value. And if you are in a decent comp in the US you get almost free care.

    Also the job senario is not as good as its in the US. I heard its a lot more harder to get a job in Canada. Yes its true with PR you can work anywhere but how many of us will do that.

    In fact one of my friend told me the cost of living is higher there.

    I maybe naive and have limited knowledge about Canada, but from the above observations I think one will be disappointed to go to Canada from US.


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  • jayleno
    07-28 10:41 AM
    I think you are one of the most sane Amway guy I have heard from. Thanks for all the explanation. Now I know I have a problem with BWW and their approach not Amway. Looks like they are good brainbleachers.

    again, i am not with this business now but still think its a good model. it is based on word of mouth advertising, franchising, residual income - everything e-commerce (which is a subject taught at some universities). now add some short sighted people to do the teaching and BINGO.. screwed it up big time.

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  • timberlake
    09-04 04:17 AM
    What you have mentioned is the only good thing Mr. Backstabbing Naidu did. rest of AP is like Hell except Hyd... Govt employees pensions on the edge to be removed... Power charges increased 600% .. He is a next to dictator... one has to bow to his party men the villages or cities ... even a simple activity needs his partymen's approval... This is what makes difference... any politician is a politician... just a diff how one interacts with ppl makes one like YSR. undoubtedly there are poor ppl who got benefited from him. land sale was intially started by Mr. Naidu...

    Btw he just had 2 acres of land now he is king of 2000+ Crores... think about it also... AP media has yellow fever...

    Btw I am from AP and i take side and i went through it...

    on part of Corruption... there is corruption with any party and in all stages of govt... But he is far far far better than dictator naidu ... no one bothered for him when he was almost attacked during once by naxals... think about it...

    btw _TrueFacts_ you also look into these facts before commenting... may be you just have TDP/eenadu _YellowFacts_...


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  • Rb_newsletter
    01-15 04:08 PM
    I agree Teddykoochu.

    Think what will happen if they woke up one fine morning and start another new interpretation of an existing law and then later they start doing it retroactively; just imagine the cascading effect.

    It does not matter which side of the ship is taking fire. It seems to me that people on the left side of the boat are happy that the firing is only on the right side, forgetting it is the ship as a whole which is taking fire.

    This only reminds me of the famous poem by Martin Niem�ller which goes like this.

    "First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out�because I was not a communist;
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out�because I was not a trade unionist;
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out�because I was not a Jew;
    Then they came for me�and there was no one left to speak out."

    To get the gravity of the situation, substitute it with which ever suits you ! EAD/consulting H1/direct H1/AOS pending/485 not filed/EB3/2/1....etc etc.. Behind all these fancy terms, numbers and notations there are people, children and families who are going thru difficult situations.

    I don't have words to appreciate you. You explained it in one poem very very very well.

    Earlier they asked for ridiculous documents like photos with American colleagues, etc.
    Then they asked for client contract for 3 years, where no client sign a contract for more than 6 months in this uncertain world.
    Then they asked for work place fire safety approval docs.
    Then they sent contractors for work site visit.
    then 221g slips, PIMS delay, admin processing, technology alert, rfe for no reasons, H1-b extension for 3 months, back dated denial of H1,........
    Now they want to define the way of business practice.
    Later...only they know what they are going to do.

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  • richana
    07-30 05:32 PM
    Travind I am not close to the family anymore I made the dude so uncomfortable he stopped calling me. Here are some avoidance techniques, but you need to be ballsy to pull them of and never exceed the limits of decency and you must have a sense of timing and humor to do these. I have used these techniques myself for avoidance
    1) Stare at his wife or sister and constantly compliment their looks, cooking, chai etc
    2) Make lots of sticky notes with their quotes in the meetings and stick it on their walls
    3)Break your pencil or pen at the meeting and loudly say cuss words like "shit that is good"
    4) Itch nervously when they approach you in any location they will leave you thinking you have some skin disease.
    5) Cough without closing your mouth directly in front of their face
    6) Wear ghetto clothes when you go to the usual locations they avoid you like the plague (sorry guys who wear kurta with jeans and leather chappals you are the most obvious target)
    7) Borrow cd's, dvd's etc and never return them or their calls they are bound to be nice since even in the worst case they are still trying to sell to you.

    There are more things to do but i'm guessing some other people will post their experiences , just one word of caution do not extend your torture because these people are human beings who have been proselytized by their diamonds etc that they dont realize and don't worry they will not learn from you.


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  • ramus
    06-28 05:56 PM
    So this is very clear example where dates were current for June but they just came up on June 5th and asked to reject all other worker application..

    Now why can't they do fsame or EB?

    Do you know if they even accepected application that they got before June 5th.

    That was 5th June as per Oh's website and Oh's website was quoting AILA's memo.

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  • gc_check
    01-15 11:59 AM
    Hope the AILA and ImmigrationVoice leadership can work together to urge USCIS to post a statement explaining that the guidelines in the memo are initially meant to encourage compliance by the businesses and prevent abuse; and that the USCIS would start enforcing them starting Jan 2012 or later. Thus it may be just a matter of getting used to the extra bureaucracy.

    I pray that we all get sorted sooner, so we can start focusing on other important aspects of our careers and family lives.

    _____________________for those very concerned____________________
    It is easy to tell others to be cool headed to think rationally, but we all agree that its true -so let us try doing so.

    I personally believe that most folks shall still be fine - this includes a lot of consulting company folks. We all (everyone having/renewing/aspiring H1) need to start collecting all documentary evidences as mentioned in the memo.

    If you do not already do so - start following the guidelines for what USCIS considers as proof of Employer-employee relationships - exchanging weekly status e-mails, work assignments, etc. Also please remember to save these documents more securely (possibly at more than a single location). There could be a few more hassles, for example requesting access to old deleted e-mails from server backups. Start working to get yourself copies of service level agreements and contracts between the various layers of consulting companies - after seeing this memo most HR staff would get cooperative. Provide copies of the memo to your consulting companies sales and placement staff - as they would not want to loose their commissions and thus would help persuade your managers and HR staff to start complying.

    Best Wishes for all.

    Why do you think Jan 2012 a better date to start implementing this Memo... The memo in it is current form, does more harm than good.. wheather it is effective immediatley or not.
    BTW, Once the memo is circulated, it is like a work instrcutions / guidance that will be followed immediately upon receipt or untill it is rescinded.

    Though its intention is to target bad people and do good for all, this affected many many genuine cases too defeating the cause. Regardless, enforcement is good for people here already and for the ones planning to join the good people here in future, but the enforcement should not negatively hurt the good ones....


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  • test101
    07-10 11:31 AM
    I started the process myself. I got a job offer in one of Vancouve hospitals. I'll be there in 2 months. never the less i was hoping that i'll stay next to my family in the US :)

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  • GC_Applicant
    07-26 07:44 PM
    I was also thinking on the same lines. Are all Desi's loosing money and wasting their time. There's got to be something behind it..,

    These people hardly shell out a few dollars or time for IV which benefits them way more than Quickstar., then why waste their time on it., Makes me think.

    Disclaimer: I'm not associaetd with any sort of pyramid scheme..

    Devil's advocate


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  • gc28262
    06-12 12:40 AM
    People need to understand that you need to give some to win some. I would like to propose to IV a kind of proposal that would be a win win for both the immigrants and the US.
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    Don't tell us you are trying to save america for americans ( now that you are going to be a citizen)

    You are just trying to close the door behind you.
    You think Grassley bill is good for everyone. Yeah sure it is good for you !

    You have begun to think like loosers guild( aka programmers guild)

    You claim the fittest will survive and you don't need any luck to survive. However you had your round of layoffs too. That is a fact of american job market. Luck does play a lot in people's lives especially here in US. I have heard of an IBM engineer who was laid off during 2001 recession. He had 2 patents under his belt. So nobody is immune to luck factor.

    Now that you have become a GC holder and soon going to be a citizen, you are so much worried about the wage levels and and L1 visas. You are ok with H1Bs because you were on H1B earlier in your life.

    Did you ever worry about depressing citizen's wages when you were on H1B ?

    It is one thing to be so self centered, another to say it aloud on a prospective immigrant's forum like IV.

    BTW america is the best place to do business. If you feel threatened by more work force entering USA, become an entrepreneur like Vivek Wadhwa, not a loser like Ron Hira.

    Aren't we Indians a bunch of crabs !

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  • paskal
    02-14 03:50 PM
    [QUOTE=gjoe;223388]How many of us who contributed to IV mentioned that in the AOS application form I485. I guess you are supposed to disclose your affiliation to IV, atleast when you are a contributing member. If this is true most of us will automatically disqualify for a GC because we failed to disclose information truthfully

    I did! full disclosure....:)

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  • cableman
    05-10 09:29 PM
    Thanks cableman.

    I did read that part and hence my question was if I am in the fourth/fifth year of my CA PR when I decide to go to CA, will I be allowed at least in the country.

    Another question was if I am in my 4th/5th year and know that it might take me another year before I go to CA, can I apply for CA PR again, even when I already have my CA PR OR if I apply for my CA PR immediately after my current CA PR expires, would I get it again (assuming I have the necessary points)

    Thanks again to everyone who tries to shed some light.

    Be honest, I don't know the real answers. You should find a lawyer to discuss this. I just share my thoughts. For your first question. I guess you should have no problem to enter Canada as long as your Maple card is still valid. However, I think when you renew your Maple card, you will have problem. For your second question. I think you can't re-apply PR as long as you still have the PR status. I think you may have to wait until your Maple card expires. I don't know the successful rate of re-applying PR. Enough point is one consideration, your intent to stay will be another consideration. I will be surprised if the immigration officer won't question you why you gave up the last PR status. You must prepare a good answer. Let me put in this way. Consider yourself is the immigration officer, will you question the applicant who gave up the status and re-applied again? Last advice. If you want to keep the PR, you should find a good lawyer to discuss the possibility of explaining to Canadian immigration why you need more time to move to Canada.

    09-15 01:22 PM
    Doing it in the lat quarter could cuase visa wastage especially this year where it is anticiapted that there will be lot of spill over numbers.

    Now, with vast majority (if not almost all) of 07 petitions pre-adjudicated and waiting for visa #s for approvals, it is hard for uscis to wait up-to-end-of-the-year for spill over. Current economy only suggest fewer GC applicants in 09 and 2010

    08-02 06:02 PM
    Hello sir, I am on H1B, a new company is hiring me and they have little knowledge about h1b issues, my h1b transfer is not filed yet, they are 100% sure that they r gonna hire me, but I haven't decided whther to work with them or not, the other day I went to their office to fillout the application for background check but they made me fill out all the forms that a candidate has to fill during the hiring process, they went ahead and filled my I-9 and w-4 forms too. I was thinking that it's all a process of pre-hiring,but after coming home I did a little research and found out that I-9 has to be filled after they transfer my h1b, do you think is it gonna be a problem?I e-mailed them not to put me in the system, did I violate any law by getting hired by them before even my visa transfer process is started?ofcourse I didn't start my work and I am not going to start until my visa tranfer is done. The employment is at will and I didn't sign any contract with them, do you think they will create any problems for me in future(if they want to)?b'cos I haven't decided to work wth them yet and I may tell them that I am not gonna join them. Please advice me I am really tensed.
    Thanks in advance

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