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  • poorslumdog
    09-04 12:42 PM
    My condolence to them. But I beg to differ that people dying unnecessarily is not a good sign of development.

    Let their soul rest in peace.

    Edited: Ooops, I think misread your post.

    I really appreciate your support senthil. Guys please come forward and dont be shy about nay sayers...

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  • cableman
    08-30 10:53 AM
    I would recommend you to search online such as and apply for some positions. This is the only reliable way to test the Canadian job market. If you get positive responses, it tells you that your skill set is indeed in demand. If not, you should think twice before moving. Since Canada and US are next to each other, you can probably be able to go for interviews and to secure a job before moving. This way, you are sure that you will have a job when you move.

    One reminder. Don't expect their jobs can pay you as good as what you are getting in US. The upside is the living standard is relatively lower in Canada especially compared to big cities like NYC and San Francisco. Also, you will have more vacations and no more worry of GC retrogression.

    I did the PR Canadian immi. myself and got the approval. The process is straightforward . However, I hesitate to go there . From what I heard is diffucult to get IT job.

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  • gg_ny
    02-13 08:03 AM
    im willing to pay 1000's of dollars in lawyer's fees..

    this im intersted in more than sending letters.

    pls explore class action suit.

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  • ita
    03-30 02:56 PM
    For all we know we may not be casting our vote but it is very important to know what is going on around us and this discussion is like a reality check though I agree immigration forum may not be the right place for this discussion.

    Coming back to MMS,Advani-going by the qualities you attributed to these guys MMS is like that exquisite diamond that will always sit inside the locked case who can only tantalize people but cannot make anyone happy(since Sonia and Co will never let his policies/Intelligence reach common man.)
    LK may not be that exquisite a diamond but he is not caged .I don't think he's a dunghill either.
    The most of the guys posting in this thread is not going to vote. Even I think, we all do not have our names in electoral list. There is no sense in arguing who is best or who should be next PM, sitting in US. Furthermore, most of the educated, urban voters will never go to polling booth in hot summer to stand in line to do their duty as a citizen.. Indian�s election of their representatives is fundamentally a show of money and muscle power. Election in India is just a business. It is just investment of money by political parties with the help of capitalists and their lobbyist to get the vote from rural, uneducated, divided voters across the nation. All parties are corruptive, communal, divisive, plays vote bank politics. No exceptions! (whether it is Congress, BJP, communists, BSP, SP, and countless regional parties). One thing I can say or compare about Congress and BJP. Congress is the only party has responsible for bringing both good (economy, growth, education,) and bad (corruption and countless other) thing to India. BJP has not done any good thing to India sofar, only it brought bad things to India (divisive, corruption).

    My input regarding comparison of Manmohan and Advani.


    Though, he is not a full time politician, and not a good crowd pulling speaker, he has strong record. He has quietly achieved lot as a RBI governor; FM and PM. US nuclear agreement is a big achievement in his career, despite he had a minority government with the strong left opposition. He does not have long term independent vision, and strong leadership skills. He was widely accepted by all part of the country, as he has no controversial issues.


    He is a good speaker, crowd puller. He is a typical Indian politician. He has leadership skills. He does not have any significant record/achievement to back his claim for PM (either as a ex-minister or politician). For example, he has not done anything to improve the national security when he was a union home minister. He has involved in controversial issue like Babri Majit, and Ram temple issue. He also does not have long term vision, ideas on economy, poverty elimination etc..


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  • krish2005
    01-16 05:16 PM
    Please read this article.

    The Insightful Immigration Blog – Commentaries on Immigration Policy, Cases and Trends: NEW USCIS MEMO ON EMPLOYER-EMPLOYEE RELATIONSHIP FOR H-1B PETITIONS: IS IT A WAY TO KEEP CERTAIN WORKERS OUT? (

    I feel IV can join hands with AILA on this to help us in this situation.

    Any new renewals or new H1 filings are bound to be denied unless its a direct employer vs employee relationship. Third party placement indications are bound to be targeted for denial!

    We are literaly doomed. Given the slugglishness of the GC process this is bound to cripple us down.

    I am feeling sad for those H1B guys who were deported out of Newark thanks to these crooked laws. The laws may be right in their perspective, but they do not understand the havoc it would have created in the lives of those who felt the impact.

    I wish and pray for the good of all and those GC/H1B aspirants during these troubled times now and up ahead.

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  • don_don
    03-16 01:28 PM
    Are you from India,,if yes, think again,,,the EB3 2003 PD may not buy u much,,u may be well know trying to go for perm and 140 with current EB2...eb3 for india is a black hole,,,i hope u know what a black hole is,,,its kinda dangerous!!


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  • alkg
    09-24 03:29 PM
    I don't think this all is going to work out in any way.

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  • vivid_bharti
    09-03 03:15 PM
    It really does not matter if you are a doctor or a compounder... Running a state or a country is a different thing altogether, you need different skills and this man had that. He was a self made man risen from the soil. But on the bad side he was the king of the corrupts. Most of the Indian politicians are Illiterate. This guy is a medical doctor by profession.
    Loved by poor people. Hated by the fundamentalists and Naxals. Most of the AP politicians are corrupt including former PM P.V. N RAO.


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  • hopefulgc
    02-13 02:39 PM
    I am ready to commit $25 for the initial consultation with Rajiv or some other lawyer. I have no qualms about raising my commitment if there is need.

    Even I am ready to put in $ 25 for the first consultation with Rajiv khanna or any other Lawyer IV core wants to go with. And if IV plans to go ahead with class action lawsuit as per requirement will raise my monetary commitment. please PM me if IV core plans to go ahead.

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  • samay
    07-22 11:39 AM
    I am in the 6th year of H1B. 6 year term expires in March 5, 2009.

    My Company filed LC in June 2008.

    Assuming my LC is cleared by this year end, I-140 Filed around Jan 2009.

    Can i get 7th H1B Year extension, if my company files H1B extension by Feb 2009.

    In which cases 7th Year extension will be rejected.

    If your LC gets cleared by the year end you can apply for I-140 by premium processing and once that gets cleared your company can file for a three year extension for you.


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  • fall2004us
    07-21 01:19 PM
    I have had my own experiences with these stalkers, one time I ran into a guy in Walmart and he asked "are you from south India" blah blah....then he asked me "do you have my phone number", I told him "I just met you and how do u expect me to have ur number".....then he asked my #, I gave him my old land line which was disconnected, he called immediately saying that he is giving his # to me, the call did'nt go through, he asked me why? I told him straight on the face to stop this amway business deals with me, he just ignored and rushed to another aisle.
    As others said, if some desi smiles and talks to you (which is rare) the first thing you think is that he is from amway......:D

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  • thomachan72
    09-17 03:27 PM
    [QUOTE=arunmurthy;916610]Cousin of my friend got an email that his card production has been ordered.
    He falls in EB3I (PD Aug. 2005). I could not believe it but my friend told me that
    EB3I would see significant movement in coming months.
    Gus Hang on and tighten your seat belts. We will have a wild ride if he is true.[/QUOTE

    Really?? are you sure??


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  • morchu
    05-29 04:09 PM
    Destructive thinking is not helping. Constructive thinking is what we need.
    Who gets there "earlier" is not important. Can you get there "faster" is what is important.

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  • shana04
    10-15 06:36 PM
    So, in just two years, every category should be current. Lets not scratch our heads.

    I don't care about the logic but, I like what you said!;)


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  • zCool
    05-11 10:13 AM
    Takes 4 years to get Aussie citizenship now..
    Citizenship is not a toll-pass.. you are taking an oath to be loyal to 1 country.. you are giving up another.. I think GC backlog is messing up with folks' heads.. the cavelier attitude abt things like citizenship etc.. :)

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  • Googler
    02-15 10:28 PM
    My friend, I'm not trying to fight you. All I am saying that you cannot file a class action against USCIS because they have not done anything wrong. They are just following the law.

    If you really want to have this change, it is the US congress that you can deal with.

    As I've said, I work for a law firm.

    Why don't ask your immigration lawyer first regarding the "class action" you are talking about.

    (1) There was no shortage of laypeople and even attorneys who asserted that "USCIS isn't doing anything wrong they are just following the law" when it came to FBI name checks. Fortunately for all of us sharper legal brains and sharper judges prevailed, and brought us to this happy day.

    (2) On Class Actions: Villamonte, have you read the Mocanu decision ( If not I encourage you to do so -- that was just individual cases being consolidated, but the situation is not very different -- you should pay particular attention to the part where Judge Baylson recommends a multi-district class action litigation to deal with all the other name check cases (see p. 16, para numbered 6).

    The parallels between the those cases and the one being proposed are very strong.

    Judge Baylson is not the only judge who has recommended a class action approach to these issues. IV members should also be aware that all we need are a few named plaintiffs, it isn't as though every IV member or even everyone wanting to sue needs to be a named plaintiff. All the judge needs to recognize is that there is a large group of applicants with same or similar grounds for suing USCIS/Emilio Gonzalez. Edit to add: IV the organization doesn't even need to be the primary plaintiff, since that will necessarily cutoff any parallel discussion with the agencies. The IV forums are just a place to organize this.

    (3) Preliminary Ideas on the Grounds for Suing (courtesy lazycis):
    The grounds for suing USCIS is the same as in Gonzalez v Howerton -- (a) interpreting the law incorrectly (b) not following the statutory requirement that they use up all the greencards available in a given year and therefore being guilty of affirmative misconduct. At the very least, a judge is within his rights to make them make amends -- by recapturing 2003-2004 EB greencards, since they wasted them as a result of their affirmative misconduct -- they waited for name checks or simply not processing applications - no one can say there wasn't an application backlog in 2003-2004.

    (4) First Steps
    What we need here is to get this matter before a good legal strategist who is familiar with (a) the two sources of affirmative misconduct (FBI name checks and cessation of processing in 2003-2004) (b) precedents and caselaw (note that most immigration law firms are good with filing paperwork, but not necessarily complex litigation, so forget about the usual suspects.) The perfect legal argument will not sprout up immediately. In the same way that the legal arguments in the name check cases were honed over time (lazycis can confirm this), this too will need some serious research and thinking.

    Those of you who want everything about this case sorted out, signed, sealed, guaranteed and delivered this week will need a reality check. :)

    As will those of you who think that the way to approach this is to discuss these issues without familiarizing yourself with facts and legal precedents in some detail (so arguments about slavery etc are not the ones that will win the day in court, it is arguments that can show that USCIS was not interpreting the law correctly and in doing so caused harm and that the harm can be remedied through recapture.) -- if you want to see how a case like this will work read Mocanu and Galvez. This case will not be a dramatic movie-style civil rights case about slavery, it will involve the most tedious sort of nitty gritty discussion of admin misconduct.

    OTOH, for most of us, all we've got is time -- I do not foresee my Jan 2003 EB-2 India PD becoming current any time soon. I'm prepared for a long legal battle. I'd rather do something constructive** that will likely change the process than sit and wait and mope.

    **: Yes, I've sent off my letters too. I think of these two things as complementary projects.


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  • gc4me
    02-13 01:39 PM
    Thanks for your valuable information. But how about lots of unused visas?
    Why USCIS did not allocate those to countries like Nepal which only used 70.

    Further division is not good.

    I was on record that DOS/USCIS misallocated visas in 2005. India received much more in eb3 then what they were entitled to. In fact, India, China, Mexico and Phillipines should have not gone over their 7% as a whole of the 250,000 greencards available. Because of this; dos/uscis learned their lesson and started to follow the law appropriately.

    I did say that if in 2006 any country went above their limit of 7% then it would cause a lawsuit which I would be a part of. However, there would be some negative outcomes from it. UScIS/DOS behaviour could only change going forward. They could revoke the greencards issued in 2005 for people who went over the 7% limit (uscis has upto 5 years to rescind greencard if approved by mistake) but they would not get re-allocated because there is no carryover from one year to the next in the current law. Only outcome would be to change it going forward. As I've said in the past; people were spoiled at the laziness of DOS/USCIS. Retrogression and the visa allocation should have happened a long time ago.

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  • coopheal
    06-11 09:32 AM
    Can someone put the numbers for EB2 similar to already entered EB3 numbers on wiki
    EB3 numbers - EB3 Movement Tracking - Immigration Wiki (
    EB2 numbers (needed) - EB2-I USCIS Data - Immigration Wiki (

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  • Macaca
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    I will need everyone's input since I don't know all issues.

    "Immigration scandal goes unnoticed" or "USCIS drama and tantrum to lessen workload" or "Is this legal?" or "Resignations due at USCIS" or "Foul Play synonym USCIS Play" or GOVT "AGENCIES SHORT CIRCUIT A MILLION HOPES" or "The US govt. does a number on High Skilled Immigrants" or "Legal immigrants and the prison of USCIS" or "Door slams shut for highly skilled LEGAL immigrants in the US" or "US closes the door for highly skilled LEGAL immigrants" or "US isolates highly skilled legal immigrants" or "Broken Legal immigration system harmful to US competitiveness" or "Legal Immigration system in shambles" or "Flip-Flop: DOS & USCIS in cahoots?" or "USCIS betrays thousands of hopeful"

    Retrogression in employment based (EB) legal permanent resident (= GC) process

    Skilled tax paying immigrants
    Adjustment of Status (AOS) is last stage in EB GC process

    AOS application requirements

    Application requires


    increase in (hard to get) appointments across United States
    Some had to take MMR vaccine and hence postpone their plans to have kids by 3-6 months as recommended by NIH. (newbee7)

    Birth certificate

    request for documentation in country of origin

    Requires applicant and dependents (spouse + children) to be in country.

    Some applicants and/or dependents had to fly in to be able to apply. (chanduv23)

    2-3 days to prepare forms

    Applicants changed their schedules to submit forms

    Cost of applying

    Application Fee

    I-765 (Application for Employment Authorization) $180
    I-485 (Application for Adjustment of Status to register as Permanent Resident)
    ($225 for applicaiton below 14 and over 80 (Should check on this)) $ 325
    I-131 (Application for Advance Parole / Travel Document) $170 -
    Biometric Recording Fees (Finger Printing, etc) $70
    Total $745

    Lawyer Fee $1000+

    Medical $250+
    Pictures $30-40
    Postage $50
    Misc $50
    2 Days off Work
    Overseas travel to fill form

    Looks like only $380+ is lost per applicant.

    Need good estimate on #dependents!

    Benefits of AOS application

    provides Employment Authorization (EAD) that

    allows applicant to change employers 180 days after filing AOS, if the new job is the same as the one they based their positions/original GC applications on. This is very important for applicants, who are bound to a particular employer for 6+ years due to GC processing delays.
    allows spouse to get out of the house and contribute to American economy.
    eliminates the need for continually renewing temporary skilled visa

    A 21+ year old child can not be filed with primary applicant. However, once AOS is filed the child is "safe" regardless of how long USCIS takes to approve AOS. (My son turn 21 in mid-January 2008: darslee)
    provides Advanced Parole (AP) for travel without visa -> saves Embassy overhead
    application processing, which includes name checking that can take 1+ year, can be done while waiting for GC #.
    USCIS gets a better load estimate for load balancing.

    What happened

    Applicants started filling forms on June 13th
    Some applicants mailed forms on June 29th
    USCIS announced on July 2 that it will not accept forms recieved on or after July 2

    Why does it hurt

    Waiting in line for 6+ years due to previous GC processing delays
    Very little chance of legislative relief for a long time.
    Rejected June filers can not re-file.
    Some applicants did not file in June (due to prior engagements) because they had the option of filing in July.
    $'s lost on re-applying

    Lawyers who charged $1000+ for filing will not refund service fee and charge for additional processing
    Medical will not be valid after 1 year and photos will not be valid after 6 months.

    estimated expenses for at least 100,000 applicants is $6,000+ million in filing fees, medical examination expenses, incidental expenses such as travel, photocopying, phone calls, courier, etc., not including the 2-3 days of preparation time expended by each family as well as lost productivity experienced by applicants’ businesses due to absence from work
    Fees increasing 66% starting Aug 1 2007; should consider July applicants under old rate
    USCIS which is supported 90% by application fee should pay some attention to applicants
    Special cases

    I applied for H1B extension when my PD was current. Since my PD was current, I got 1 year extension. However, I could not apply for AOS. Now, I have to re-apply for H1B extension after 1 year. (??)
    I could not apply in July. I had planned overseas trip on July 8th. What happens if my date becomes current before I return? (andyny73)

    Individual trauma and stress

    Thousands of individuals and businesses rely on the monthly bulletins to prepare and plan for the submission of applications. This update sets a terrible precedent, and undermines this nation’s efforts to foster legal and orderly immigration.
    Patience is not just a virtue but a way of life for millions of legal immigrants who have been living in US for 6+ years. Besides everyday stress of job, mortgage, health and education of their children, they live with the added suspense of their GC application. (from vasa)
    We are raising families here, our everyday life is no different from any other AMERICAN middle class family with same expectations and hopes. So it is not easy to presume that we can pull out or get out of this situation and return to our home countries. (from vasa)

    The biggest loss is trust: Can we trust and rely on visa bulletin to prepare AOS application?
    Applicants will always live in fear untill they receive receipt #

    USCIS history

    376, 345 GCs went unused from 1992-2006 mainly due to USCIS inefficiency
    According to page 35 of ombudsman report, This loss of visas is due to:

    gaps in USCIS’ accounting of cases;
    USCIS not processing enough pending applications in a timely manner; and
    the imprecise art of predicting workflows and demand surges at three federal agencies:

    Department of Labor (DOL) (approves labor certifications);
    USCIS (processes immigration petitions after completion of labor certifications and processes green card applications for applicants in the United States); and
    DOS (establishes priority dates and processes immigrant visas from applicants outside the United States).

    Comparison with Undocumented

    09-25 01:27 PM
    I did a quick DB search and here are my findings for 2005 & 2006 PERM data

    2005 case status -certified = 6133
    Prevailing wage level - level II = 2212

    2006 case status certified 79782

    Prevailing wage level - level II = 32283

    03-26 06:18 PM
    Hi All,

    I currently have an EB3 March 2003 priority date labor I140 approved with my company. Recently, I wanted to move to consulting, sothat I can get my GC converted to EB2 as the dates are only 2 months apart. I have asked my company if they are willing to take me as a contractor once I am out of the company and go to a consulting company. They said that it should be fine, but they said if GC is the only purpose, they can try to do something about converting my existing labor to EB2. It's a very big fortune 500 company and they do all their labors in EB3. My question is:
    1. Can I re-apply another labor in EB2 for a position that qualifies in the same company and can port the existing EB3 priority date? Has anyone done this in the past?
    2. Can I use any prior priority date approved labor in the same company, even though my EB3 I140 is approved with the same company.

    3. Can I move to consulting company and reapply in EB2 with existing priority date and work for the same company that has my current labor.

    The company legal counsel said that they would come back to me with some answers this week, but I want to get second opinion from all of you in this regard. I have my Masters in 2000 and MBA in 2004 with 8 years experience and so EB2 qualification shouldn't be a problem

    Any help will be greatly appreciated!


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