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  • chanduv23
    02-14 12:34 PM
    Watch and see how fast the Michigan government will start issuing DL to H1B holders and to those who has pending I-485.

    If you believe in it, stay put - gather support. Work towards legal opinion. Not sure if IV core endorses it, but use the forum to get support.

    Those who are interested must consider forming a mailing list and create a group.

    Many people just take the poll, and run away if approached. Let everyone participate wholeheartedly.

    IV wants all members to help in the Admin fix - "Letter to the President" campaign and it is very essential we follow peaceful methods. Please help make this campaign successful.

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  • weasley
    07-31 07:07 AM
    Thanks Thampi. Someone does not see that as funny as you. Gave me two reds. But I dont care. That was a just a joke and I did not belittle anyone.

    :D:D:p:D Very funny. I just love this thread. For a moment we can forget about the stupid GC fiasco.

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  • gjoe
    02-15 05:06 AM
    [QUOTE=hopefulgc;223549]thats bull.... disclosure is not requored.... my dog is a member of six professional canine associations ... does he have to bark it all up.

    Are you implying that we are treated like dogs here? If your answer is yes we have a credible case against USCIS. If your answer is no then my friend ( buddy as Indians and pakis say) you have to disclose your associations.


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  • Vishal2007
    05-03 06:13 PM
    Tamils are totally discriminated in our so called Home land, I support Prabhakaran to bring Elam that brings relief to Tamils in India, We denounced India long back,, 35 yrs back terrorist Bal Thackeray killed Tamils (for his cheap politics) in Mumbai, then Karnataka (they are incomparable with trash) . Just for every one to know, if you are Singhalese 40% is good for your start College, if not, you need 80% to continue for college.


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  • dreamworld
    05-02 09:49 PM
    Newtoearth who are you.

    why the independent news-reporters are not allowed to the places where the "hostage" "Rescue operation" are held by srilanka govt? SL Govt can not hide the truth. World knows now. So Stop saying it again and again. Try to get down to the earth.

    Do you know the core issue that created SL.Tamil issues? Read the history. Srilanka.Govt want to limit the SriLakan Minority rights and privileges. right? It might be different if the SL.Govt showed any change at policy level and get more SL.tamil civilians support before it started the "rescue operation".

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  • rajesh_kamisetty
    07-10 02:27 PM
    I really didn't mean to insult. I deleted it from my original post.

    Hey dude
    Dont insult a whole state....dont blame/depend on other people in making your decisions...


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  • ramus
    06-27 06:59 AM
    So are you saying that we could have possible retrogression effective from any day in July?


    USCIS had approvals before dates moved. USCIS knows the numebr of such approvals.

    These approvals are getting GC before approval of current applicants. If earlier approvals use up quotas, retrogression does not have to wait for current approvals.

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  • patfanboston
    05-12 09:25 PM

    I was not responding to the Sri Lankan issue - please don't read it as such. As I said, my comment was tangential to the discussion thread. I was just writing about my observation of the behavior and attitude of Tamils in general in India.


    Your point about MGR/Jayalalitha/Rajanikanth just proves my point. These people migrated to Tamil Nadu, made it their home and 'assimilated' by learning Tamil and considering themselves Tamil and showing their love for Tamil - they did not become famous in TN by propagating Telugu/Malayalam/Kannada. Now, if only you could provide some examples of the other way around - Tamils who migrated elsewhere and who made the host cultures proud. Can you?

    There definitely are Telugu/Malayalam/Kannada natives in TN - but without exception, they have 'Tamilized' themselves to a great extent to live a normal life. Is the converse true?


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  • Macaca
    06-28 09:01 AM
    From page 35 of Citizenship and Immigration Services Ombudsman Annual Report to Congress June 2007 (

    There will be severe consequences from rapid fluctuations in priority dates.

    If the priority date became current today, due to delayed USCIS processing and thus underutilization of visa numbers, some have predicted that within a few months as many as 500,000 to 750,000 individuals now residing in the United States under a temporary worker visa could apply for a green card.
    Additionally, DOL’s recent backlog elimination efforts, scheduled to be completed by September 30, 2007, are predicted to add 70,000 or more approved labor certifications yielding as many as 170,000 additional green card applications.
    As USCIS begins to complete these applications and request visa numbers from DOS, the 140,000 statutorily authorized visa numbers will be used. DOS then will be required to retrogress priority dates. Consequently, most applicants in this scenario will find themselves trapped where as they anticipated timely receipt of a green card, their wait exceeds seven or more years. In addition, all future employment-based green card applicants effectively would be barred from applying for many years.

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  • vamsi_poondla
    05-02 09:34 PM
    Language is a very hot boiled subject. We have to be a bit practical about what makes it work. Anti-hindi agitations have other roots as well. Understanding Dravidian history needs an open mind. Same is the case with everything about India.

    IMO, India is not formed with a single ethnic group colonizing almost empty land and forming a nation based on some principles and later vast immigration followed by years on assimilation based on melting pot concept. It is more of an idea that is formed politically. All 4 south Indian states having a vast culture being ordered to use one language perhaps backfired fueled by resentment against upper castism that existed in Congress during that time.

    Again, it is not either supporting or criticizing any event. That is what happened. We have all Hindi movies being super hit in Chennai. Once can walk in any street in Chennai and transact in English. I find many auto-drivers or even common man,go out of way to help when I speak in English in Chennai. So, please dont stereotype,

    Coming back to the point, if we had gone for Hindi as a national and sole business language, (I dont like insisting any thing in a democracy), we would have perhaps missed IT/BPO wave and most of us will not be here in this forum.


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  • unseenguy
    06-11 06:20 PM
    To be honest, I do agree that the US needs qualified people with skillsets. The real question is "Are the people from the desi consulting companies the real qualified lot ? " Just to get my background details out of the way. I am a new member, from India ofcourse, and I have recently applied for my citizenship. Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. Staffing companies to a decent extent followed rules and tried to get the best and the brightest. Once the dot com boom started, people from all walks of life entered IT. This was true of not just the Indians but also of people in the US. Soon after the bust, the value proposition from these staffing companies was simply low cost. This is not to blame the staffing companies. They behaved in an economically rational way.

    Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.

    In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.

    In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.

    With this kind of attitude, I wonder what fresh ideas or "bright" ideas you bring to the table and how qualified you are to say this. Enjoy your LUCK and thats it. You are no more qualified.

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  • MYGC2008
    09-14 03:50 PM
    Do we know the exact Approved EB2 Labors for INDIA. (Year 2005 means Oct 2004 to Sept 2005). because PERM is introdiced in mid 2005.This is Critical

    Also I have a question: Does Prevailing Wage Level determine the EB Category? (EB2 Prevailing Wage Type = Level II) If this assumption is correct then for 2006 (Oct 1 2005 to Sept 2006) there are 11000 approved EB2 INDIA Labors.


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  • mbawa2574
    09-28 10:21 AM
    As completely unrelated these two issues are (from a law maker's perspective) on a normal day, these are possibly those times when each of these issues can help the other.

    IV has been discussing about the possibility of one for two solution (partial). The idea is to request congress to exempt EB applicants & their dependents from numerical limits of the Immigrant visas, if they buy a home. It is my belief that market sentiment is the most important thing in any financial market(s) and the housing prospects look pretty bleak. There are lot of members in the EB community that have NOT bought their own home, even though they could afford one because of the uncertainty with EB GC. IV's idea is to bridge the financial committees and judiciary committees in the House/Senate and see if corresponding Chairman/Ranking members are willing to listen. Things are moving so fast with the 700bn USD bail out plan and we will NOT have time to do things the normal way, through our counsel. We have to present this idea to the corresponding staff members of key members of congress (see list below) and see if this gets traction now or going forward.

    Please do not bring EB-5 discussion/comparison here. The proposed partial solution is different from EB-5 in that EB-5 investors invest money and we are investing in our future with a genuine intention of making USA our permanent home.

    If you already have a home, thats fine. Any such legislation will reduce the wait times in EB categories and we need housing markets to rebound for a safer economy before the ripple effects are felt every where.

    Who to write to

    Staff members(Chief of Staff, Legislative LA, Financial LA, Legislative Director) of Chairman/Ranking members of House/Senate Judiciary committee & Finance/Banking committee, Staff members of your representative and your senators. Please find staff members of the committees in the spreadsheet (

    You can find your representative & senator staff members on this website (

    Please use valid email addresses and NOT fictitious/junk mail. It undermines the whole purpose and our emails will be flagged by mail scanners / spam checkers as some thing similar to famous Nigeria bank account scams.

    Email Subject: Proposal to alleviate current US Housing/economic crisis



    This proposal alleviates the current US economic crisis, by motivating the US high skilled, legal immigrant workers to purchase homes. The size of this immigrant population is approximately 800,000 individuals. This effort if successful would inject up to US$ 20Billion approximately into the economy (approximately US$ 100 Billion in houses sold across the country) , while at the same time directing this money into the root cause of the economic crisis � the illiquidity of the national housing market. The above calculation is done
    assuming a median US home price of $212,400 and buyers making a down-payment of 20% of the cost of the home. Roughly estimating 400,000 buyers.


    Undoubtedly, we are all devastated by the shake up on Wall Street in the past 15 days. Experts agree that the underpinning problem is the housing crisis caused by sub-prime mortgage loans. Many of us, who cannot afford our monthly mortgage payments are losing homes and putting them up for sale and foreclosure, which further adds to the crisis. At the same time, most of the Employment-based (EB) immigrant community would like to purchase homes and make the United States a permanent home for their families. These EB immigrants however, are living in a state of limbo, mostly in rental apartments because of the delays and uncertainties involved with the EB immigration procedure. The wait times in EB categories are exacerbated by the delays in processing by USCIS, even though eligible applicants have filed for Permanent Residency also known as Adjustment of Status. Such processing delays have resulted in the wastage of 218,000 immigrant visa numbers (Page 52 of USCIS Ombudsman Annual report 2007). The current Department of State visa bulletin shows 7+ years of wait times in certain categories. We strongly believe that legislation can be worked out in such a way that the housing markets all over the country can move towards recovery, while at the same time motivating the Green Card applicants to catalyze this recovery.

    It should be noted that this proposal by no means brings more immigrant workers into the US. The workers in the EB, skilled category are already present in the US, doing skilled jobs that no US worker is available to do. They are part of the long queue of backlogged cases that USICIS will eventually process; however, this wait can take years and in that case could not be used as a tool to minimize the course of the current economic crisis.


    Congress can pass legislation that exempts EB green card applicants and their dependents from the numerical limits of visa numbers, provided applicant(s) have bought a home making 20% down payment on the sale price of the home, for a time period deemed necessary by the congress.

    How can Employment based Immigrants help alleviate the housing problem?

    (1) Employment based immigrants are highly skilled and are employed in occupations such as Software, IT, Health care, Energy, Finance, Education and Research & Development across the United States.

    (2) Average income of these individuals/households is around 65,000/130,000 USD.

    (3) All these Employment based immigrants have gone through Department of Labor�s recruiting process, which certifies that there is no willing, able and qualified US Citizen to do the job.

    (4) Most of the Employment based immigrants have excellent credit history and good source of income to make the payments needed for their home mortgage.

    (5) By requiring a 20% down payment from this group of buyers, Congress can directly channel this money to where it is need most � at the banks.

    (6) Employment based green card applicants have been living in the United States for 6-8 years. Many of them have US graduate degrees in their fields of expertise. These applicants are well versed with the American culture and will not change the cultural landscape.

    (7) Financial burden on US government and treasury will be reduced drastically if the glut of houses in the market decreases.

    As a member of the community that wants to make the US its permanent home, I want to contribute to a solution that helps USA and US during these tough times. I sincerely believe that the 30 year commitment on mortgages by Employment based immigrants in the housing market, backed by solid, risk free mortgages can turn the down ward spiral in the housing market into a upward spiral.


    This would be a great idea and anywaz US will have to do something out of box to resolve this crisis. They have already lost the status of economic superpower and this country is going towards breakdown in case they don't welcome immigrants who bring in/generate capital for this country. Protectionists really need to be shut off at this point of time.
    Now Questions is the best way to accomplish this ? In 2007, I wrote multiple emails to regarding this but never got a response. So if we can get this thought into their minds, this can resolve our issue and can give a good amount if relief to housing industry.


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  • vdlrao
    07-21 12:15 AM
    I presume, from the July 2007 fiasco DOS might have learnt a lesson of deciding the cut off dates very care fully based on the Aproved labors In a pertucular year from a perticular country with a perticular ctegory. So thats the reason why I am thinking that instead of putting whole EB2 as a current
    (It is estimated that there are aout 20k + visas still available for this fiscal year) DOS has put a cut of date for EB2 India/china to Jun 2006. So I could say USCIS is making the cut off dates very carefully by using all the available information like approved labors in a perticular year from a perticular country and in a perticular category.

    Originally Posted by delax
    Here you go - conversion should not impact this as the number of LC approvals remains the same:

    Here are all the LC approvals for India in the last seven years.

    Year, Total LC Approved, Total India
    2007 85112 24573
    2006 79782 22298
    2005 6133 1350
    2004 43582 No Info
    2003 62912 No Info
    2002 79784 No Info
    2001 77921 No Info
    2000 70204 No Info

    If you see the appoved labors by a fiscal year above, I am assuming that there would be about 10,000 labours for EB2 India every full year except 2005.
    In 2005 there may be only about 600 labors for EB2 India.

    Based on this it would be
    About 5,000 labors for EB2 India from April 2004 to Sep 2004 (About half year),
    About 600 labors for EB2 India from Oct 2004 - Sep 2005

    About 5,000 labors for EB2 India from Oct 2005 to 1st Jun 2006( About half year)

    So total labors may be around 10,600 which needs about 25,000 visas.

    So it seems there are about 20k visas availble now.

    So they have moved the dates accordingly.

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  • Macaca
    06-27 06:52 AM
    this depends on the number of approvals and not on the number of applications received. Even if there are tons of applications received, unless there are enough approvals happening simultaneously, dates would not retrogress in the middle of the month.

    USCIS had approvals before dates moved. USCIS knows the number of such approvals.

    These approvals are getting GC before approval of current applicants. If earlier approvals use up quotas, retrogression does not have to wait for current approvals.


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  • bostonian28
    06-17 04:08 PM
    Chill out guys, looks like emotions are running very high on this thread.

    The purpose of this thread is to talk about predictions for Oct 09, lets focus on that, also each of us is frustrated in a different way, may be this is a forum where in one can come and vent their frustrations, pls be more empathetic towards all...

    On a side note, we should probably start a polling to see how many folks are interested to spend (lets say) 5000$ to get a GC, if the number is high we should probably focus our efforts on hiring a lobbying company and push our agenda, that is the only way out of this situation, only throwing money will ensure our plight is heard appropriately in DC.

    So again, pls be more empethatic to others, even if you do not agree, this is a good community we all should be helping each other even when we do not agree.

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  • saileshdude
    05-28 11:35 PM
    EB2 and EB3 will be in queue for sometime, fact being the latest fraud by Indian IT firms.

    Please read then post comments.

    I personally know 7 people who came to US in 2008 via Indian IT firm - designations [Sr Project managers or Program manager]....

    Applied for GC under EB1 and every one of them have a GC now....not to mention few MNC's based out in India have done the of my friends who works for an US based consulting firm in Hyd is here in US on H1B [12 months] he has a GC.....EB1

    Before it was Labor Substitution cases that caused suffering everyone who is waiting in line for years. Now it is this fraud EB1 cases. I am planning to write to Ombudsman to bring this to the attention of USCIS to process EB1 cases from India with extreme scrutiny.
    Indian IT firms make designation as multinational executives where in actuality these people are just bunch of clowns. This needs to be controlled now before we have another year of misuse of EB1 cases. Is IV going to do something to make sure EB1 cases really get scrutinized and are given to only who really deserve it. I think thats one of the things IV should be pushing for.

    I am pretty sure Cognizant is one of the companies who is doing this.

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  • amulchandra
    01-23 09:29 PM
    This is old link but talks about immigration fraud by some consulting firms.


    07-22 12:50 PM

    03-29 10:17 PM
    India- by happily showing how democracy can be at its... you guessed it, "worst"
    Dont agree?? True Democracy, implies "for the people and by the people", right?
    well in India its a tiny bit different...."For the thugs and by the thugs"

    and in the US the government is by the corporations and for the corporations (why are they the leading campaign contributors otherwise, and why do they all get tax payer funded bailouts and bonuses otherwise?). The US is no better.

    Power corrupts. Almost every government is corrupt.

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