gc_chahiye
06-28 08:03 PM
I am analyzing for EB-2 (India). The current date for EB-2 India was Apr 1 2004 for month of June.
Retrogression started Oct 1 2005. Before Oct 1 2005, persons with PD < Oct 1 2005 (remember PERM) could have submitted I-485. Some (not all remember namecheck) of these would be ready for adj June 1st 2007. These applicants can be divided into 2 categories: those with PD <= Apr 1 2004 and those with PD > Apr 1 2004.
Applicants in first category will get GC in June and applicants in 2nd category will get GC in Jul. These applicants can exhaust 2007 quota.
USCIS is taking 3 weeks for notification of 485's submiited in June. I would be very surprised if they process a June submission in < 3 months. So chances of June applicant using GC number are low.
USCIS knew # applicants in above 2 categories: this appears trivial. If these applicants exhaust 2007 quota, USCIS knew that quota will get exhausted in Jul. The date can be of their choosing since the work involved must be pretty low.
A similar analysis can be done for any other category. Correct me if my dates are wrong.
but if USCIS knew this (that June+July can finish all the numbers for 2007) then why does the visa bulletin talk about retrogression in September timeframe for India/China? Why not August itself?
Retrogression started Oct 1 2005. Before Oct 1 2005, persons with PD < Oct 1 2005 (remember PERM) could have submitted I-485. Some (not all remember namecheck) of these would be ready for adj June 1st 2007. These applicants can be divided into 2 categories: those with PD <= Apr 1 2004 and those with PD > Apr 1 2004.
Applicants in first category will get GC in June and applicants in 2nd category will get GC in Jul. These applicants can exhaust 2007 quota.
USCIS is taking 3 weeks for notification of 485's submiited in June. I would be very surprised if they process a June submission in < 3 months. So chances of June applicant using GC number are low.
USCIS knew # applicants in above 2 categories: this appears trivial. If these applicants exhaust 2007 quota, USCIS knew that quota will get exhausted in Jul. The date can be of their choosing since the work involved must be pretty low.
A similar analysis can be done for any other category. Correct me if my dates are wrong.
but if USCIS knew this (that June+July can finish all the numbers for 2007) then why does the visa bulletin talk about retrogression in September timeframe for India/China? Why not August itself?
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vdlrao
07-24 11:30 AM
Trust me. I was under the impression that it will be 3-4 years before I see green, but the reality is almost true for me now. Similarly, EB3 folks would get some news by next year. Who knows, the government will change and we have seen how keenly Obama wants a change ;). May be recapturing visas provision will be considered next year and everyone until 2006(EB3) may see some green. We never know. It's all magic and lets hope for the best. :D
You are right prioritydate , there would be lot of things happen in employment based immigration in the next two years. This would cause a great relief for EB3 India including whole EB3.
You are right prioritydate , there would be lot of things happen in employment based immigration in the next two years. This would cause a great relief for EB3 India including whole EB3.
gondalguru
07-17 01:50 PM
What makes you so sure the spillover can happen in the first quarter? Is there an example in the last 10 years? You may have forgot Feb. 2008 bulletin. If what you say is true, why it was U for EB2-I on Feb. 2008? No one in USCIS can take the responsibility if the spillover in first quarter causes EB2 RoW with cutoff date later, as they can't predict if there will be enough(or not) applicants to fullfill the quota. Therefore, spillover can only happen at 4th quarter. Unless if there's really mininum of usage, then it may start at 3rd quarter, but I don't think it will ever happen at 1st quarter.
Here is the Feb 2008 bulletin.
http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_3925.html
INDIA EMPLOYMENT SECOND PREFERENCE HAS BECOME �UNAVAILABLE�
Despite two retrogressions of the India Employment Second preference cut-off date, demand for numbers by CIS Offices for adjustment of status cases has remained extremely high in recent months. As a result the annual limit for the India Employment Second preference category has been reached, and the category has become �unavailable� effective immediately.
Look at my prior post. I think spill over will happen every quarter.
Here is the Feb 2008 bulletin.
http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/bulletin/bulletin_3925.html
INDIA EMPLOYMENT SECOND PREFERENCE HAS BECOME �UNAVAILABLE�
Despite two retrogressions of the India Employment Second preference cut-off date, demand for numbers by CIS Offices for adjustment of status cases has remained extremely high in recent months. As a result the annual limit for the India Employment Second preference category has been reached, and the category has become �unavailable� effective immediately.
Look at my prior post. I think spill over will happen every quarter.
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RattuRani
06-10 09:29 PM
Don't think of it as punishment. The US wants to allow a certain number of people to immigrate each year. The demand far outstrips the supply. That's where the problem is.
There are two ways to address this:
Increase the supply
Decrease the demand
Those are the only two ways. One option would be to go for a points based system that awards the limited visas to those with the best qualifications or where the need is greatest. After all the US is in a "buyer's market" and can pick and choose those immigrants that add most to the country.
The other option (which is at present politically infeasible) is to increase the annual immigrant quotas. Tough to support this in a recession with 10% unemployment.
I'm not sure you can characterize this as unfair... ultimately it is left to the US to determine how many people they want immigrating.
There are two ways to address this:
Increase the supply
Decrease the demand
Those are the only two ways. One option would be to go for a points based system that awards the limited visas to those with the best qualifications or where the need is greatest. After all the US is in a "buyer's market" and can pick and choose those immigrants that add most to the country.
The other option (which is at present politically infeasible) is to increase the annual immigrant quotas. Tough to support this in a recession with 10% unemployment.
I'm not sure you can characterize this as unfair... ultimately it is left to the US to determine how many people they want immigrating.
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mkumar
05-11 08:50 PM
Wrong! Stop assuming dude. People are here because they need the Green Card. We don't take an oath to renounce loyalties when we get it. Of course your intention is clear and I am thankful that we Indians don't need to count on you. Of course, its interesting that you are quite happy being a US Citizen when it's the US which has called the LTTE a terrorist organization. Hmm, I hope you did your research. Anyway, too late. We don't need you anymore in India and like I said earlier, good riddance. All the best!
Thanks for being the self-designated, unpaid spokesperson for "we indians" and keeping track of accountable indians :)
Thanks for being the self-designated, unpaid spokesperson for "we indians" and keeping track of accountable indians :)
truthinspector
07-16 05:01 PM
I am working with my company for last 3 yrs on H1-B. I have an approved I-140 and I am filed under EB3.
My H1 expires soon and the employer is going to apply for an extension. After that, they plan to file a new labor for me in EB2 and port the EB3 PD; once the EB2 I-140 is approved. My current title is "Software Engineer". They plan to file me as "Senior Software Engineer". My experience before joining my current employer was 7 yrs.
Is this a legally advisable/feasible scenario? I do have EAD and want to make sure I keep my options open. Given the current scenario, it may take a while to get the new EB2 labor and I140 approved.
Is there is a risk to my existing approved I-140 in this?
Please advise.
My H1 expires soon and the employer is going to apply for an extension. After that, they plan to file a new labor for me in EB2 and port the EB3 PD; once the EB2 I-140 is approved. My current title is "Software Engineer". They plan to file me as "Senior Software Engineer". My experience before joining my current employer was 7 yrs.
Is this a legally advisable/feasible scenario? I do have EAD and want to make sure I keep my options open. Given the current scenario, it may take a while to get the new EB2 labor and I140 approved.
Is there is a risk to my existing approved I-140 in this?
Please advise.
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_TrueFacts
09-03 11:53 PM
With your utmost stupidity!!!!!
Anyway thanks for the Humor from your stupidity...
If you had a laugh on my post good for you. Should have given you some relief from YSR's death. I have been laughing, smiling and eating sweets since I knew the news.
Anyway thanks for the Humor from your stupidity...
If you had a laugh on my post good for you. Should have given you some relief from YSR's death. I have been laughing, smiling and eating sweets since I knew the news.
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longq
02-13 07:10 PM
(a) INA 202(a)(3) states that the total number of visas available under both subsections (a) and (b) [...] exceeds the number of qualified immigrants [...] (2) shall not apply [...]. In your case, there are no excess visas available for FB immigrants.
(b) INA 202(e) Special Rules for Countries at Ceiling. requires that additional visas are distributed according to the world-wide distribution across FB and EB categories. Of the 100 unused visas 77 would have to be alloted to FB, and only 22 to EB categories. Assuming a 1/3 distribution in EB categories EB1, EB2, EB3, 7 would go to EB2.
If USCIS cannot follow this rule, those 100 visas would be unused for that fiscal year.
With AC21, the 100 can be assigned to oversubscribed countries, if Visas are available, ie. demand in all categories is less than supply. With EB3-ROW retrogressed, that is not the case.
Just the way I see it....
No. You are wrong..
202 (e)(3) will not applicable, because of (a)(5).
The third point excempts that ..
(3) 3/ except as provided in subsection (a)(5), the proportion of the visa numbers made available under each of paragraphs (1) through (5) of section 203(b) is equal to the ratio of the total number of visas made available under the respective paragraph to the total number of visas made available under section 203(b).
(b) INA 202(e) Special Rules for Countries at Ceiling. requires that additional visas are distributed according to the world-wide distribution across FB and EB categories. Of the 100 unused visas 77 would have to be alloted to FB, and only 22 to EB categories. Assuming a 1/3 distribution in EB categories EB1, EB2, EB3, 7 would go to EB2.
If USCIS cannot follow this rule, those 100 visas would be unused for that fiscal year.
With AC21, the 100 can be assigned to oversubscribed countries, if Visas are available, ie. demand in all categories is less than supply. With EB3-ROW retrogressed, that is not the case.
Just the way I see it....
No. You are wrong..
202 (e)(3) will not applicable, because of (a)(5).
The third point excempts that ..
(3) 3/ except as provided in subsection (a)(5), the proportion of the visa numbers made available under each of paragraphs (1) through (5) of section 203(b) is equal to the ratio of the total number of visas made available under the respective paragraph to the total number of visas made available under section 203(b).
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anilsal
11-12 11:57 PM
As for the people who have benefited, there is something to be said about being in the right place at right time.......
Curious as to how many of them will have negative feelings towards CIR, SKIL or H1B quota increase. I am sure the percentage will be high.
Lots of big companies have made use of this labor substitution.
Curious as to how many of them will have negative feelings towards CIR, SKIL or H1B quota increase. I am sure the percentage will be high.
Lots of big companies have made use of this labor substitution.
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makemygc
06-28 12:37 PM
For July 485 filing, can I send papers in Saturday June 30th ?
This is what I'm doing. I'm flying to Nebraska service center friday night. Will put my shelter in front on PO box and will remain there until Monday morning. Once the USCIS guy comes up to pick up the mails, I'm just going to hand deliver my paper before he even opens his mail box.
Want to join me ;)
This is what I'm doing. I'm flying to Nebraska service center friday night. Will put my shelter in front on PO box and will remain there until Monday morning. Once the USCIS guy comes up to pick up the mails, I'm just going to hand deliver my paper before he even opens his mail box.
Want to join me ;)
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vbkris77
09-15 12:48 PM
How did you say that are Only EB2+ EB3?
Apart from EB2, EB3 what else would need a PERM?
Apart from EB2, EB3 what else would need a PERM?
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nogc_noproblem
07-16 09:46 PM
Even after seeing Aug �08 bulletin are you still saying that it is just a speculation? If that makes you happy - be happy, but unfortunately horizontal spill-over is the fact now. Let us wait and see whether it is a permanent approach or not.
Let you be the master of INA law; give me the source where it says differently.
This whole thread is speculation, your basic assumption itself is wrong. The horizonal spill over is not a permanent policy or trend which will be practised. You should read the INA law clearly. But if this speculation makes you happy, enjoy! :)
Let you be the master of INA law; give me the source where it says differently.
This whole thread is speculation, your basic assumption itself is wrong. The horizonal spill over is not a permanent policy or trend which will be practised. You should read the INA law clearly. But if this speculation makes you happy, enjoy! :)
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at0474
12-14 05:06 PM
I find it abominable that there are still some humans(?) left in this century who want special benefits based on their race and country-of-origin in this 21st century !
It's time people were measured on merit instead of he is Indian, Chinese or some other nationality. Eliminating country quotas is part of IV strategy on the homepage. If someone has issues with it, well you are working against IV strategy !
Stop dividing people based on ethnicity - Indians, Chinese and others. Every one deserves equal opportunity, not based on their country, race or color (all abominable ideas to me) , but purely on merit.
--What you said sounds very interesting. But it got me thinking, what if the merit is equally distributed by the country of origin and there is a limit to the opportunities this country can provide?
Let us say there are 140,000 EB visas given every year. Based on pure merit and sans any regard to nationality. Don't you think it could potentially lead to more visas being consumed by one country?
What if this country wants to ensure diversity to its social fabric?? How do they go about doing that?
It's time people were measured on merit instead of he is Indian, Chinese or some other nationality. Eliminating country quotas is part of IV strategy on the homepage. If someone has issues with it, well you are working against IV strategy !
Stop dividing people based on ethnicity - Indians, Chinese and others. Every one deserves equal opportunity, not based on their country, race or color (all abominable ideas to me) , but purely on merit.
--What you said sounds very interesting. But it got me thinking, what if the merit is equally distributed by the country of origin and there is a limit to the opportunities this country can provide?
Let us say there are 140,000 EB visas given every year. Based on pure merit and sans any regard to nationality. Don't you think it could potentially lead to more visas being consumed by one country?
What if this country wants to ensure diversity to its social fabric?? How do they go about doing that?
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manderson
02-12 12:00 PM
correction: EB3 ROW = 01JAN05 !!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG!!!
Just 1.25 more year and I would have been current! Damn!!!!
01AUG01
OMG!!!
Just 1.25 more year and I would have been current! Damn!!!!
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tapukakababa
08-11 09:04 AM
Please help what's the next step?
My Case info in chronological order:
PD: June 2006
I-140 applied: September 2006
EAD and I-485 applied: July 2007
EAD received: September 2007
I-140 RFE: October 2007
I-140 RFE Replied: October 2007
I-140 Denied: January 2008
I-485 Denied: January 2008
MTR filed: February 2008 (status not known)
EAD renewal filed: June 2008
H1B renewal filed: July 2008 "1st H1B expiring: October 2008"
EAD renewal Denied: August 2008
Working on H1B right now, still have 3 more yrs.
My Case info in chronological order:
PD: June 2006
I-140 applied: September 2006
EAD and I-485 applied: July 2007
EAD received: September 2007
I-140 RFE: October 2007
I-140 RFE Replied: October 2007
I-140 Denied: January 2008
I-485 Denied: January 2008
MTR filed: February 2008 (status not known)
EAD renewal filed: June 2008
H1B renewal filed: July 2008 "1st H1B expiring: October 2008"
EAD renewal Denied: August 2008
Working on H1B right now, still have 3 more yrs.
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amsgc
07-04 11:42 AM
My suggestions:
"Door slams shut for highly skilled LEGAL immigrants in the US"
"US closes the door for highly skilled LEGAL immigrants"
"US isolates highly skilled legal immigrants"
"Broken Legal immigration system harmful to US competitiveness"
"Legal Immigration system in shambles"
"Flip-Flop: DOS & USCIS in cahoots?"
"Door slams shut for highly skilled LEGAL immigrants in the US"
"US closes the door for highly skilled LEGAL immigrants"
"US isolates highly skilled legal immigrants"
"Broken Legal immigration system harmful to US competitiveness"
"Legal Immigration system in shambles"
"Flip-Flop: DOS & USCIS in cahoots?"
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oguinan
02-15 06:52 PM
No claim, just fact. Sure, you can dress up a pig, but some people will still see it for a pig.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act
Racial restrictions which previously existed were abolished in the INA, but a quota system was retained and the policy of restricting the numbers of immigrants from certain countries was continued.
A couple of points. Firstly it's usually a good idea when quoting wikipedia to include the primary reference that the quote or opinion is based on. A contentious issue like immigration reform produces lots of opinion but not all of it is based on fact. Secondly, there are shocking racial elements in the history of immigration laws in the US. Perhaps it's not that shocking when one considers the racial history of the country. Many people will be familiar with the supreme court case 1923 of Bhagat Singh Thind, a Sikh man who fought for the US in World War I. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Bhagat_Singh_Thind
The immigration laws at the time said that only Caucasians could become US citizens. The framers of the law assumed that Caucasian meant "white" while Singh Thind relied on science to prove that people of South Asian origin were also Caucasian. He lost the case with one judge stating "the average man knows perfectly well that there are unmistakable and profound differences".
My point is that the immigration laws of the United States were racist until the 1952 INA act. They specifically placed quotas on people based on the color of their skin. Today's restrictions, while bizarre, unreasonable and unfair in many ways, cannot be defined as racist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act
Racial restrictions which previously existed were abolished in the INA, but a quota system was retained and the policy of restricting the numbers of immigrants from certain countries was continued.
A couple of points. Firstly it's usually a good idea when quoting wikipedia to include the primary reference that the quote or opinion is based on. A contentious issue like immigration reform produces lots of opinion but not all of it is based on fact. Secondly, there are shocking racial elements in the history of immigration laws in the US. Perhaps it's not that shocking when one considers the racial history of the country. Many people will be familiar with the supreme court case 1923 of Bhagat Singh Thind, a Sikh man who fought for the US in World War I. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Bhagat_Singh_Thind
The immigration laws at the time said that only Caucasians could become US citizens. The framers of the law assumed that Caucasian meant "white" while Singh Thind relied on science to prove that people of South Asian origin were also Caucasian. He lost the case with one judge stating "the average man knows perfectly well that there are unmistakable and profound differences".
My point is that the immigration laws of the United States were racist until the 1952 INA act. They specifically placed quotas on people based on the color of their skin. Today's restrictions, while bizarre, unreasonable and unfair in many ways, cannot be defined as racist.
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smuggymba
01-25 02:52 PM
From the day I came to this country , I have spent around $12,000 on immigration including H1-Bs, filing GC, APs, EADs extra. Not to mention the traveling for visa stamps and whole other shit load of expenses. I guess most of people who paid for filing GC did spent same amount of money.
Hell ya, Some one got to be benefiting from my $12000.
I thought we're not supposed to pay for H1 and GC. Correct me if I'm wrong? I guess we can only pay for the visa appointment fee.
Hell ya, Some one got to be benefiting from my $12000.
I thought we're not supposed to pay for H1 and GC. Correct me if I'm wrong? I guess we can only pay for the visa appointment fee.
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hazishak
02-15 10:48 PM
I beleive that there should be more representation of people from other countries in desi companies, but when more number of desis apply for jobs. Is it any fault of the company is they are hiring only them?.
In other words, they dont mind getting screwed by desi company.
In other words, they dont mind getting screwed by desi company.
another one
09-23 06:32 PM
The congress is fully occupied with the housing issue right now. Should we sent to all congress members instead of a selected few?
bayarea07
07-28 10:37 AM
Good and Fair Thoughts,agree with you.
I was an 'IBO' in the past. did the business for 2 years and quit. so, i am one of those "quitters" as called by up-lines and one of the many reasons why the average monthly income is only $115/year :)
you people are fighting for two totally different reasons
(1) is Amway business illegal for H1Bs? and is Amway business model a ponzi scheme ? been with this business, I can still stand behind the business model - its fair and simple. you just buy from one manufacturer and advertise that to others. if you notice, they are actually advertising Amway Global on national TV. Are the products worth the money you pay is a different subject. can H1Bs do this, i hear yes/no from various sources and that is a separate subject too. this thread is about the bitter experiences and not the business model itself.
(2) Now came BWW (for those of you don't know this term, this is the reason for all your heartaches / broken friendships and bitter experiences).
how do you advertise your product/site ?????
when i joined the business, I have atleast 10 very good friends. I talked to all of them and asked them to understand the business model, and not worry about the advertising part. I took all of them to major conferences (they couldn't say no to me out of friendship and curiosity on what i saw in it despite horror stories) but no one was keen at that time. so, i told them to come and see me when they have some free time and are thinking about making money part-time. no hurry. thats it. no clashes between friends or bad blood. no means no. they are your friends and they will come to you when they are looking. NO HURRY.. thats me.
this is the point where problems start. BWW talks and teaches about doing it NOW. they want us to go through as many people as possible and believe in numbers game. if you show the plan to 100 people, 1 active IBO will join. so, show the plan 3 times a week at-least. that's the motto. when they asked me to go for cold contacting i refused out-right. how can i convince a total stranger when my close friends who believe in me couldn't see it.
most of you are crying foul of people "cold" contacting you with fake smile/friendship while they want you to join the business. but everything has to do with BWW and their methods/CDs/meetings etc. its like a competition. the sooner you grow, they grow. so, they want you to grow as fast as possible. if you have to loose your friends/relatives on the way - your up-lines don't care. they say they are your friends/family. how can that be true ??
to Kushal: I wish you luck with your business. but you have some temper my friend. who are you fighting with ?? folks on an online forum ?? you should know better than to throw stones at someone who doesn't have a name. what are you thinking.. you think you can convince everyone here to believe Amway/quixstar is good ???? seriously ?? only if convincing is that easy ;p
to rest of the team: I know you don't approve the advertising part by randomly meeting people. I didn't do it either and extensive damage is done. people run away from Amway/quixstar like plague because some people want to get rich quick and asked their down-lines to spread the word as fast as they can. "run through people". find 1 person willing to work at the expense of 99 people getting offended by you. word of mouth advertising works both ways. bad publicity spreads faster :)
all I am saying is: people advertised Amway really bad. people hate amway but they should really be mad at BWW and their strategies. it is unfortunate that no one really knows or interested to know what Amway model really is. all they can think of is about horrible experiences of cold contacting and repeated chasing.
again, i am not with this business now but still think its a good model. it is based on word of mouth advertising, franchising, residual income - everything e-commerce (which is a subject taught at some universities). now add some short sighted people to do the teaching and BINGO.. screwed it up big time.
I was an 'IBO' in the past. did the business for 2 years and quit. so, i am one of those "quitters" as called by up-lines and one of the many reasons why the average monthly income is only $115/year :)
you people are fighting for two totally different reasons
(1) is Amway business illegal for H1Bs? and is Amway business model a ponzi scheme ? been with this business, I can still stand behind the business model - its fair and simple. you just buy from one manufacturer and advertise that to others. if you notice, they are actually advertising Amway Global on national TV. Are the products worth the money you pay is a different subject. can H1Bs do this, i hear yes/no from various sources and that is a separate subject too. this thread is about the bitter experiences and not the business model itself.
(2) Now came BWW (for those of you don't know this term, this is the reason for all your heartaches / broken friendships and bitter experiences).
how do you advertise your product/site ?????
when i joined the business, I have atleast 10 very good friends. I talked to all of them and asked them to understand the business model, and not worry about the advertising part. I took all of them to major conferences (they couldn't say no to me out of friendship and curiosity on what i saw in it despite horror stories) but no one was keen at that time. so, i told them to come and see me when they have some free time and are thinking about making money part-time. no hurry. thats it. no clashes between friends or bad blood. no means no. they are your friends and they will come to you when they are looking. NO HURRY.. thats me.
this is the point where problems start. BWW talks and teaches about doing it NOW. they want us to go through as many people as possible and believe in numbers game. if you show the plan to 100 people, 1 active IBO will join. so, show the plan 3 times a week at-least. that's the motto. when they asked me to go for cold contacting i refused out-right. how can i convince a total stranger when my close friends who believe in me couldn't see it.
most of you are crying foul of people "cold" contacting you with fake smile/friendship while they want you to join the business. but everything has to do with BWW and their methods/CDs/meetings etc. its like a competition. the sooner you grow, they grow. so, they want you to grow as fast as possible. if you have to loose your friends/relatives on the way - your up-lines don't care. they say they are your friends/family. how can that be true ??
to Kushal: I wish you luck with your business. but you have some temper my friend. who are you fighting with ?? folks on an online forum ?? you should know better than to throw stones at someone who doesn't have a name. what are you thinking.. you think you can convince everyone here to believe Amway/quixstar is good ???? seriously ?? only if convincing is that easy ;p
to rest of the team: I know you don't approve the advertising part by randomly meeting people. I didn't do it either and extensive damage is done. people run away from Amway/quixstar like plague because some people want to get rich quick and asked their down-lines to spread the word as fast as they can. "run through people". find 1 person willing to work at the expense of 99 people getting offended by you. word of mouth advertising works both ways. bad publicity spreads faster :)
all I am saying is: people advertised Amway really bad. people hate amway but they should really be mad at BWW and their strategies. it is unfortunate that no one really knows or interested to know what Amway model really is. all they can think of is about horrible experiences of cold contacting and repeated chasing.
again, i am not with this business now but still think its a good model. it is based on word of mouth advertising, franchising, residual income - everything e-commerce (which is a subject taught at some universities). now add some short sighted people to do the teaching and BINGO.. screwed it up big time.
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