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  • immique
    07-17 01:23 AM
    I don't agree with your arguement. Spillover can happen in any quarter and you don't need to wait until the last quarter for it to happen. with EB1 and EB2 being current, the spillover into EB2 I and C will start from November/December of 2008 itself

    Since no one knows how many of pre 2004 EB2/EB3 are pending for India or ROW, it is very difficult to predict where the PD would be at 2008 november. Whoever feels the numbers less suggests EB2 india PD would move forward, whoever feels the numbers are more suggests it will move slower.

    But this is what my assumption is USCIS/DOS would start will less number of Visas for starting of year, let us say 900 for EB2(I) on november 08. There is a possibility that EB3 to EB2 conversion, Missed out old PD cases etc would result in getting EB2 going backwards...This would be the case for first 2 to 3 quarters, even if it moves it would in couple of months.Again based on EB3(ROW) demand next year end EB2(I) may or may not move forward fast.
    One thing for sure spill over happens only during the last quarter, be it horizontal or vertical.

    But this years move would make some people lucky to get GC even if their PD is in 2006. Again this is all my assumptions..

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  • ita
    03-30 04:59 PM
    As far as I know...
    LIke you said India was just born and Nehru with full majority was heading the country . You know what he did he came up with Democratic-Socialistic model which is the hybrid of Communist-Socialist Russia,Democartic-Capatilistic U.S

    This Democratic-Socialism was never tried anywhere else in the world.It was the so called vision of Nehru(albeit cut-copy-paste).

    Interestingly explanation he gave for advocating his recipe was the same explanation you are giving for 'why it is difficult to rule India'

    He said since India is young country it needs gentle intervention from state to get rid of the existing social-economic disparities. His formula resulted in bureaucratic bottlenecks, red tape, widened existing socio-economic disparities ,gave rise to mafia culture and the list goes on making Nehruvian socialism synonymous to failure in Indian dictionary.His dynastic descendants tried to push it under carpet as long as they could .Result: we see people thinking Nehru was a visionary.

    Our own Intelligent MMS in 90's named Nehruviain Socialism a failure before he opened the reforms in the market.It is said that when P.V/MMS duo took charge they found that country's foreign exchanges reserves couldn't last for 24 hours.

    India is very difficult to rule. Thats why we outsource that. It is not a joke.

    Even after independence, Nehru had very strong majority goverment. Still he had a problems in ruling the country. He had lot of vision in economy, poverty, socialism etc.. But he and subsequent PMs (mostly congress) failed becuse of unimaginable local issues based on India's diversity and polygenious nature of the state. India is a victim of its own diversity and long/old (and strong) regional history. This diversity includes language, tradition, culture, food habit, religion, caste and so on. Therefore, India is victim of its own division and diversity. India is untied or born in 1947 because of British rule. Infact, there is no country called Republic of India before 1947. Indian constitution (or concept of united India) is brand new compare to regional history. Naturally, regional interest always prevails. So ruling India is still a new and uphill task. 60 years is very less to come to conclusion. Thats why, all congress PMs had failed in reforms. And now in the information age, India become materialistic, everybody wants everything. So naturally corruption increases. So one can not blame just congress alone for the mess.

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  • roseball
    07-10 11:29 AM
    Wish you the very best byeusa......

    I might be moving to Canada next summer if there is no progress in my case here...My PD is Nov 2003 EB-3...I got my Canadian PR in May 2005 and I have until May 2008 to move.....So keeping my fingers crossed..I too work for a Canadian company in US.....Wish you good luck...

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  • okuzmin
    10-05 06:07 AM
    Yes... at the time of application the H1B should be valid for at least 1 year.... I got my papers returned to me coz of this. I reapplied once I renewd my H1 for 3 more yrs

    It doesn't have to be H1B; you simply had to enter the USA legally (in any status) and stay legally in the country for at least one year. F1, J1, H1, L1, or any other status -- it doesn't matter.


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  • peacocklover
    09-29 04:48 PM
    US Govt should realize the contribution of these high tech talented legal immigrants (gooses of golden eggs ( I sent to HDTV and also to all of those given contacts ( contacts (

    Please keep trying to help the govt by sending to all of those contacts and also media channels.

    God should help us and also this country.

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  • eb2_mumbai
    09-15 10:46 AM
    This thread is getting very interesting with all the logical calculations and predictions, thanks OP.

    One aspect that was missed in the discussions so far is, during Aug-Sep'08 many folks with 2005/06 PD's got their GC, USCIS picked these cases on random and not sure how many with 2005/06 PD's were approved but it a sizeable number, so this reduces the pending numbers for 2005/06 PD cases as well. I am predicting by Sep'10 we should see all of 2006 PD's cleared up.


    you are right in Aug 2008 so many people wth PD of 2005 & 2006 got approved. I would have been a lucky one but unfortunately my Birth Certificate turned out to be the culprit and ended with with an RFE. By the time I answered the RFE visa # were exhausted and I was left behind.


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  • greenscope
    09-24 10:10 AM
    When can I get my gc based on these uscis data for sept 2005 eb-2.Please suggest me.

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  • gondalguru
    06-26 11:43 PM
    This is what my very very high profile attorney wrote in her email to me today....

    " We have heard that there will be a visa regression the first week of July "

    And in immigration matters I trust her more than anybody in this whole country. So guys be ready and prepared. Do what u have to do. Be proactive.

    My post is not to spread rumors or scare people but to help them to grab this golden opportunity.

    I am ready to send papers for July 1st.

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  • sk2006
    04-01 07:37 PM
    Some time back when I asked my chinese colleagues to join IV they commented that is an "indian" immigration forum...

    No wonder they felt that way.


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  • Subst_labor
    03-16 01:21 PM
    Verify with another lawyer also, basically your experience starts only after you graduate (after getting your degree and not after finishing college ie say you completed ur degree in may 2000 and recieved your degree in Dec 2000, your experience prior to Dec 2000 may not count)

    Do verify this with a good lawyer.

    yeah, i know this thing is dicey! thanks for your advice, need to look for another lawyer now..

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  • rustamehind
    07-10 12:35 PM
    One of my friend was so frustated with this situtation , that he even explored IT jobs in gulf countries.He was telling me IBM has big presence there & with US experience , you can get manaegerial position with almost double salary.Also its nearer from India.


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  • smuggymba
    01-14 12:47 PM
    First, please stop comparing companies in this thread at least because we are diverting from topic.

    I am totally convinced with users like jetflyer, kondur_007 and others that �if it goes smooth then next will be EAD, then I-485 approvals�.

    At least this is the time to think beyond boundaries (like EB-3, EB-2, working as FT, working with consulting company, states and countries), if not then don�t distract the efforts.

    I agree. This is a bad step by USCIS but as someone mentioned AC21 was also a memo and was put into effect so I'm guessing this memo will do what it's meant to do - bad stuff:( for H1-Bs.

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  • skp71
    11-11 09:54 AM
    I have been waiting for 4.5 years, renewed 4 times EAD/AP, spent more than 8K(wife dosen't work and having 2 kids). If there is no sub labor system, I would have got long back.

    One of my friends informed me about few months back, I am EB3 with PD Jan 2003 and currently waiting to file I-485 for last one year. It is frustrating to hear how some of the companies are bypassing and jumping ahead on the line. I thought I get some opinion; I am curious why this isn't being bunged. Although using a pre-approved labor is a legal thing, how much of sagacity does it really have? Within my little 10-12 friend circle I have had atleast FOUR people who got their GC within 8 months through this same company - KFORCE, Rapidigm Inc., utilizing pre-approved labor. It seems this company lures people with a condition that they will process their GC within couple of months, isn't this using the legal system at their business advantage.

    What can we do to stop this, it is frustrating to me as I am waiting for close to four years with my GC process and been in the US for 7 years. At the same time, I see people who have been in the US for 2 years has their GC. To me this legal system does not make any sense and is a clear proof of injustice. I am thinking of talking to a legal attorney to see if this makes a justifiable case and if possible file a lawsuit for scrutiny against this company or any company that uses this facility for their benefit. May be I am overreacting and this is the reason I am posting it here to get an opinion, what do you guys think ?


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  • bitu72
    10-23 05:30 PM
    what is definition of "canadian business".

    can we extrpoltae your suggestion little bit more or is it asking for too much

    1. once you have PR ask your wife to open a company A.
    2. As a employee of company A you can come over to USA while maintainig your PR status. You should still be considered to be covered under candian business wanting the employee to work on international projects..

    can this theory fly...all this assuming no EAD filling in near future

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  • waitingnwaiting
    01-14 03:39 PM
    I would like to see Plainspeak's project plan on his idea. The plan should detail out timeline, budget, manpower and responsibilities. Most importantly what will Plainspeak do in this plan as a responsibility.

    Let us see if you can only write junk or can even post something useful.

    I did not see any plan yet. Basically he is wasting time with opinions from behind.


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  • sivasiva
    03-26 10:06 AM

    Is it possible to substitute labor as future employee?


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  • conchshell
    05-29 03:14 PM
    I guess all the euphoria we had last year because of EB1 spill over is coming to an end. People who play by rule and wait suffer the most, while people who are always on the look to find "innovative ways" get their GC faster. I remember, one of my friend who did a labor substitution got his GC many years before. But at the same time, he took the risk of joining a consulting firm, while I was more inclined to remain under the so called safety net of a big incorporation. I guess the more risk you take, more rewards you get (and sometimes get completely screwed too!!)

    However, we did a nice efforts last year to predict the visa bulletins. There was this guy vdlrao who did an impressive calculation and declared that EB2 will be current in an year. Well, its more than an year and what we have is worst than we had last year. I can only sympathies with EB3 guys, I don't know what to call it .. may be karma in previous birth.

    But my mute point is that we almost always create a false hope for us. First we predicted that EB2 will be current in one year, later on our whole legal immigrant community was nurturing the dream that Mr. Obama will win and his first executive order will be to ship GC's via overnight fedex. We overlooked that even though immigration is looking bad, but reforms in this area is a trailing priority for the new administration. Infighting within EB2/EB3 and various language speaking people is nothing new for us.

    Candidly speaking, neither we have seen any bright idea coming forward from us, nor people are willing to join hands and fight for their natural rights. So coming back to the original point, what's wrong if someone instead of depending on immigration forums, and "ethically" waiting in line, takes a little risk and gets his/her GC faster. Be it a labor substitution, or a guy going back to India and coming back as a Manager in EB1 category. Please remember that as long as its happening under the rules, its neither back door, nor illegal, or unethical.

    My 2 cents.

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  • gdilla
    07-13 12:41 PM
    This is the most ridiculous article I've ever seen.
    "I should have done my own homework before I applied" - no $hit. What makes you think going to med school in Indian means jack in Canada or the US. You have to get board certified. Duh. And I'm afraid cold calling doesn't work anywhere, including the US... does this work in India? Of course they're not going to listen to you. Jeez. People not doing their due diligence before THEY PACK UP AND MOVE HALF WAY ROUND the world... yeah, that proves to me you are smart enough to hire.

    [QUOTE=sankap]Here's an article that appeared in Outlook (India) magazine 8 years ago. Apparently, the situation hasn't changed much since then:

    Canada...The Grass Isn't Greener
    Outlook: Jan 25, 1999

    It's a dream gone sour. Thousands of Indian immigrants who land up in Canada are, more often than not, greeted with unemployment, racism, culture shocks...


    "I didn't come here to be a chowkidar. I came here believing it to be a land of opportunity; a country that has never known the nepotism, the corruption, the shortages of India. I find I have only substituted one country for another... certainly not one set of values for another, as I hoped. " For Dr Gurdial Singh Dhillon, who was made to believe his qualifications would land him a good job fast, Canada was a real disappointment. When he did find work, it was that of a security guard. This, when the United Nations has declared Canada the best country to live in.

    Some 200,000 people migrate to Canada every year, a majority from Asia. Hong Kong heads the list, followed by India, China, Taiwan and the Philippines. According to the Citizenship & Immigration Canada report, 21,249 Indians migrated to Canada in 1996 alone. (The high commission in Delhi, however, put the figure at 17,682). For many of them, especially those who are qualified professionals, dreams die fast. The life they face is never quite as rosy as made out by money-raking immigration lawyers.

    Is the UN report the only reason for the increase in Indian applications for immigration? That, and the fact that it is easier to get entry into Canada than any other western country, says a Delhi-based immigration lawyer. Also, the fastest way of getting immigration to the US is through Canada.

    Dhillon's disappointment is echoed by others. "I should have done my own homework before I applied", rues Aparna Shirodhkar, an architect from Mumbai, working as a saleswoman in a department store. "My husband is unemployed. I am the sole earner for a family of four. Sometimes I feel like running back". For Raheela Wasim, who's gone from being a schoolteacher in India to a telemarketer here, the experience was very discouraging, very disheartening. "I started losing confidence in myself. I felt I was not capable of the job market here".

    Jobs are the sore point with Indian immigrants. The irony is, they are often more qualified than their Canadian peers, yet they end up with either no work, or with entry-level jobs that have no future. "I was not told that you require a Canadian degree to get a job here", says Paramjeet Parmar, a postgraduate in biochemistry from Bombay University. Parmar works as a telemarketer, which has turned her from an elite professional to an unskilled, daily wage labourer.
    Ditto Opinder Khosla, a mechanical engineer from India, who has ended up as a salesman. "I found it difficult to even get an interview call", he says. The Canadian authorities are non-committal about the social and economic devaluation that the country imposes on immigrants.

    "You can't come thinking you can just walk in and get a job in your profession", says Isabel Basset, minister of citizenship, culture and recreation, responsible for handling immigrants' woes in Canada's largest province, Ontario. But she admits that the licensing bodies regulating the professions need to be more accepting of people trained elsewhere.

    That effort could only come from the government, argues Demetrius Oriopolis, co-author of Access, a government-commissioned report on assessing qualifications of newcomers, a 10-year-old report whose recommendations have still to be implemented. The report suggests certain rules of equivalence should be made binding on the regulatory bodies, which are exclusionist by nature.

    But Basset won't even hear of making the regulatory bodies accountable: "We believe in private enterprise with a minimum of government checks. Besides, she argues, the exercise would cost millions of dollars".

    Needless to say, the organisations are gleeful. Only professional bodies have the ability to determine what constitutes competence in a particular profession, was the cold response of the spokesperson for the Canadian Institute of Chartered Accountants, an institution that's responsible for the unemployment as well as under-employment of hundreds of qualified chartered accountants from India. They do not grant licences for professional practice, because Indian qualifications are not acceptable.

    "What kind of society are we creating? Is it a new form of slavery?" asks an irate Bhausaheb Ubale, Canada's former human rights commissioner. Qualified immigrants work as drivers, guards. If this isn't job discrimination, what is? Dr Ubale lobbied intensely before Indians were accepted in the media. They now hold jobs as reporters and anchors, he says, but a lot more has to be done.
    While skilled men may not be able to find jobs, their less qualified wives find it easier because they accept whatever comes their way. In several cases, the wives earn and support their husbands who are busy upgrading themselves, by studying for a Canadian degree. The working wife sometimes slogs away at three jobs. Sumitra starts at 7 am at her first job, teaching immigrants English; her second job as telemarketer starts at 4 pm. She gets back home around 8 pm, after which she begins selling cosmetics and household goods door to door. Till midnight. Sumitra supports three students, her husband and two school-going children.

    The other problems Indians face here are the high taxes, high mortgage payments for new homes and the sort of hidebound laws that the benign anarchy back home hardly prepares them for. "You can't run a red light, you can't escape from a hit-and-run site even if you are just the witness, you can't smoke in public. Too many rules, so different from home", says Harminder Singh.

    Two 'Indian' practices that do exist here, however, cause immigrants the maximum trouble. They are sifarish baazi (nepotism) and mufat ka kaam (free work). The Canadians, of course, have given them sophisticated terminologies, the former is referred to as 'networking' and the latter, 'volunteerism'. In a country where you are never encouraged to 'drop in' to meet someone, where the fax, the computer or the phone is used to complete most transactions, a job-seeking immigrant often has the phone put down on him. Polite but firm secretaries block access, unless the caller can drop a magic name that can help him gain entry. It takes at least a year for even the most enterprising immigrant to get to know somebody who can help him, before he can get a job at all.

    'Networking' goes hand in hand with 'volunteerism'. Many immigrants put in a year of free service before they are given the job. Most writers and anchors of Asian origin are given only part-time jobs, paid by assignment and with no fringe benefits. The company insists on the word 'freelance' on their business cards, to make it clear they have not been hired by the company, and hence can't demand higher pay or any benefits. They can, and often are, fired at will.

    Perhaps the greatest problem in Canada is the one that is least articulated--racism. According to a diversity report on Toronto (said to be the most ethnically diverse city in the world), the year 2000 will see its minority becoming its majority that is, 54 per cent of Toronto's population by the end of the millennium will be non-Whites. Keeping that in mind, it warned, if the discrimination against them in education, employment, income and housing, or incidents of hate are not addressed, it will lead to a growing sense of frustration.

    "All our problems exist because of racism", sums up Anita Ferrao, who works in a firm. Anita has worked for them for three years and has got neither promotion nor raise. "As an Indian immigrant, you can never reach the top. They'll see to that. It's better to bring in some money here and start a business. It's the only way you'll do well here and be respected. "
    But then if life is so tough here, why do people give up everything back home and come? The answer is the rosy picture of North America, inculcated right from childhood. Everything 'American' is considered superior. Better food, better homes, better life.

    07-03 11:33 PM
    Dear Senator XXX,

    USCIS and DOS played a cruel and gut-wrenching joke with the lives and feelings of hundreds of thousands of employment based greencard applicants.
    At first, DOS announced that visa numbers were available for July 2007, and so all applicants could apply for Adjustment of Status.
    Hundreds of thousands of applicants, with high hopes, went through hardships collecting documents and spent money in the month of June. People flew in their families from outside United States, and cancelled trips so that they could file for AOS.
    However, on July 2nd, the first day that USCIS could accept the applications, DOS declared that the visas were unavailable, and USCIS announced that they would reject all applications.

    How did this happen?
    USCIS worked feverishly to issue greencards, so that it did not have to deal with the applications that were going to be filed in July. According to unconfirmed reports, USCIS gave out 18000 employment-based greencards in the last day of June. USCIS does not even succeed in giving out 140K employment-based greencards in any given year.

    Please see this:
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    It is being suggested, though it still remains to be confirmed, that USCIS actions were either illegal, or a lapse in national security.

    Representative Lofgren has issued letters to Secretaries Chertoff and Rice asking them to explain the behaviors of their departments.

    We hope that you would also demand answers from USCIS and DOS. We also hope that congress would pass legislation to ease the pains of the employment based greencard applicants, like SKILL bill.
    I look forward to hearing from you, and will gladly post your response publicly to share with other employment-based greencard applicants.

    03-30 01:53 PM already made your point that you don't care if Sankarachrya is jailed or Rama has temple.You can relax... no one is building Rama any temple.

    Your concerns about poor may be genuine but your intentions seem dubious(going by the way you hang on to your views post after post despite the reality shown by facts seem to be something different than what you believe)

    I think I've shared what I know and will pitch in if I have something new.Otherwise you and folks like you who want to hang onto your preconceived notions for the reasons that only you know can run the game.Have fun

    So yo unever know this guys when they will change and what. I need food when I am hungry and need a place to place to sleep when I am tired. I dont care whether Rama has temple or not.

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