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  • punjabi
    07-29 11:07 AM
    I have had 2 friends, one from my Engineering college and another who was a co-worker in SFO. The first one had joined Amway in India and the other one Quixstar in Bay Area.

    Both told me that they were brainwashed by the up-line members and they were forced to go through the cds, books, and their guidelines on regular basis. This is in their own words. I am not making it up. And both of them told me that they have lost number of friends and acquaintances since they joined Quixstar/Amway.

    May be it is a business that you can join to flourish and prosper. But I believe the operating mechanism of Quixstar is wrong. A group should be like - people should feel an urge within themselves to come and join and make the full use of it.

    Running a business itself is not bad. But when it is run and operated by covert, hidden and superficial attitude - that's when people start to feel the repulsion.

    My intention is not to attack Kushal or anybody else.

    Sure with dead bobhead braincells of yours, nobody expects your self image to be high enough. Its not for wimps wearing zippers to the side like you. If you are man enough come and talk to me, and will see who gets handcuffed.

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  • sk2006
    08-16 04:11 PM
    Well, explain to me, if an american celebrity, such as Brad Pitt or George Clooney is detained at IGI for 66 mins, taken aside for secondary in another chamber, made to wait,

    if robert gates (defense secretary), is asked to remove his shirt

    if ex president bush or clinton is frisked for secondary, would that be acceptable to americans?

    NO. We agree on the answer atleast. Do people in India have to KNOW them?

    Question is why such things are not done in India?
    Answer is: The security system there is like Swiss cheese -- Full of holes.

    They would by pass the rules for celebrities!
    Why do you expect USA to do the same?

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  • hiralal
    05-30 11:25 PM
    we are listening to new ideas/suggestions by all members, you don't have to be acrimonious in your response.

    Please learn to tolerate others. Everybody deserves a fair chance to be heard.
    Belmontboy ..Thanks for the same I said earlier any campaign should highlight the positive aspects of legal immigration ..fighting over EB1 misuse is not going to help. I am a prospective home buyer and in the last few months, I met 8 buyer / seller agents ..they are literally sweating for any business the very least let us show the positive contribution that immigrants have for the housing and other related economy (which is massive in terms of $$$$$). I am sure everyone will agree that this is better than fighting over EB1 misuse and fighting amongst ourselves

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  • breddy2000
    09-03 11:50 PM
    This is not your YSR's factionist land to be afraid off. Same id or not, you can't pick a hair.

    With your utmost stupidity!!!!!

    Anyway thanks for the Humor from your stupidity...


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  • snram4
    01-18 01:07 PM
    I do not know any information about potential lawsuit ,lawyers view etc. Many members are similar situation.How can you expect contribution?

    How much you are ready to contribute for the law suit. Dont you have any job. Once you get your GC what are you still doing here. just eating everyone's head. Are you adding value here. Please go away.

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  • cagedcactus
    06-21 03:20 PM
    I took upon a couple of new employess in 2004 October and trained them for couple of months as per my job requirement. The company later laid off few guys and substituted two approved labors with these two guys. They got their greencards last year, while I am stuck with a F***ing 2003 PD.
    I cant even say how mad I was over getting screwed like this, but hey, if there is any good left, maybe I will have my day too........

    I agree with your post here.....

    Many of us are not aware of the extend of labor subtituion and the impact that it has on the visa numbers .

    I personally know a case where 1-140 was filed in 2005, for a Labor which was approved as early as 2000.

    The person was able to get his green card in 6 months time (he has been in US only for 1 year, came to work with the Indian company and joined this new firm just to get his substitute LC) and ate away 2 visa numbers which a genuine GC applicant should have got.

    When there are applicants who are waiting for more than 5-7 years to get their green card and in some cases just to get through the labor certification process , isnt this grossly unfair?

    Advocates support LC substituion as it is just one more avenue for them to make more money. Unscrupulous employers support the LC substituion since it helps them to make money ( as I understand many of these companies sell LC) . Also same LC is used multiple times.

    The losers are genuine GC applicants who are ethical and companies which are ethical.

    As a H4 visa holder my life in this country has been so very limited that even opening a bank account or getting a driving licence is tedious as most people have no clue about H4 Visa-its limitations including absence of SSN and donot acknowledge ITIN number for many of the above purposes.

    We who are hindered by retrogression and the slow processing (actually no processing at all ) happening in the backlog centers should welcome this new legislation for Banning LC substituion.


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  • BharatPremi
    12-14 01:15 PM
    I know. I work for a prestigious law firm and I know how hard it is to become a lawyer.

    Now it definately interests me to know the reason behind your interpretation. Please enlighten us about your interpretation

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  • abracadabra102
    09-03 09:20 PM
    The epitaph,
    "No better friend, No worse enemy"
    fits YSR nicely.


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  • mbawa2574
    02-15 04:44 PM
    Finally an honest admission. You finally say there are more Indian and Chinese here because they have huge population.
    If you can't see the insult in keeping to say "best and brightest" then I would have wasted my time.

    I am not saying that there are more Chinese and Indians here. I am saying that application process is not fair since it does not give everyone a fair shot.

    I am saying if more highly skilled Chinese and Indians apply for the same job,no cap should prevent them from immigration. If there FIFO ( First In and First Out), how will ROW suffer ? Can you explain ?

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  • krishna.ahd
    02-18 08:57 PM
    Don't shoot the messenger.

    A couple of studies came to mind recently that don't involve immigration.

    In Florida there was a plan over 30 years ago to build an artifical reef by planting 2 million tires. Seemed like a good idea but didn't serve its intended purpose and did the exact opposite. Now, 30 years later the person who pushed to do this is saying it was a mistake. There has been so much damage caused by this and now 30 years later they want to fix it. It wasn't studied enough and it was implemented and became a disaster.

    In 1999 at Laguardia airport there was a push to allow smaller airlines some space at the airport; even though the airport couldn't accomodate more airlines/flights. There was strong opposition but they did it anyways. Since then; it takes more then 45 minutes from the time your flight leaves the gate to actually get airborn. The flight time from Laguardia versus into Laguardia has a differential of almost an hour. Now; eight years later they are going to try to fix this. Even though it has been a problem for this long. Wasn't studied or thought of carefully enough.



    I will give you example which involves immigration
    Nurses / Physical therapist and in near future Teachers
    Because of bad planning in the past or say no encouragement of these skill now there is Schedule A to import them and hand over the green card.


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  • waiting4gc
    02-13 02:12 PM
    Again, there are no guarantees which of the 3 will get passed or accepted. 1 & 2 benefit you more than 3. Will be combined effect of those be more than enough to offset 3 (which I doubt will ever happen since that will require a change in law) is up to anyone's imagination.

    Will you stop supporting IV which is trying to improve ALL legal immigrants prospects of getting a green card because one item on their agenda MAY DO more harm to you than good is your prerogative.

    However, IMHO saying that 3 hurts you and hence you will not support IV is the same as those people who in July were crying because everyone was getting to file 485s and hence would lengthen the GC processing queue. I was in fact not benefiting too much from that but I supported it since having been in the queue for long enough I know how painful it is.

    Like lot of other people on this forum said, try to rise above what is GOOD FOR ME and I will only support IV if it does ONLY that. Someday there might be a law that affects you more than the majority and you will need the all legal immigrants voice to help you out.

    Is the cumulative effect of all three measures good for me (reduced wait time, or no change in wait time), or bad for me (increased wait time.)?

    I read this, and I was referring to this:

    So, does recapture and the increase in quota and the removal of the country limits, result in a greater wait time for me, as the comment above seems to imply. It would, if the recapture and the increase are not large enough to offset the effects of the removal of the per-country limit on ROW.

    Coz if it does, then I don't have an incentive to support your goals, do I?

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  • Legal
    07-25 09:06 PM
    IMO, "MASSIVE" is a relative term. Even if there are 400,000 applicants and 45% of them are India and 60% of those are E2, the total is just 108,000. Not that bad if we look at the calculations and E2 numbers India gets this year and next year. I think it is sensible to say the actual number would be lower than 108K.
    Having said that, before horizontal spill over, all these numbers (spill overs) were going to E3 ROW. Why is E3 ROW still severely retrogressed? Apart from calculations, I am attempting to do all reality checks. Is the volume of E3 ROW so heavy that around 50k + additional visas are not helping to bring E3 ROW to current. Read some where about amnesty causing this back log. Any one knows this for sure?

    And this exaggerated estimation of 108,000 includes those with PD between 6/2/06 and 7/31/07. Since the cut off date for EB2-I was Apr 2004 in the June 07 bulletin, most with PD must have already applied before July 1st.

    Forget the speculations, it looks like there are a few facts which are out in the open. Correct me if I'm wrong:

    1. Minimum of 15,000-20,000 EB visas are available.

    2. They have closed EB-3 quota.

    3. At least 20,000 if not more FB spill over is available and has not been applied to this year's count.


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  • cinqsit
    01-14 03:19 PM
    I would argue that Indian consulting biggies saw that they could offer resources to clients at much cheaper rates than offered by American consulting companies. That drove down billing rates for everyone. Also one cannot deny the fact that persons who faked their resumes have contributed to the decline of the quality of talent pool. Don't get me wrong, bad apples existed and thrived in both big and small companies. But the occurences of such misdeed is/was more rampant in body shops. Some examples are the hiring of fresh grads & H4 & other unskilled workers and passing them off as "high skilled resource".

    On the other hand if American consulting companies bill high rates to clients, they are at leat still paying decent wages to their employees. So wages stay at moderate levels. But what This whole tiered employement brought into play was that the actual employee was not getting paid too much but the client would still pay quite a bit, maybe not as much as what an American consulting company would bill. The wages of IT professionals went down.

    Though this memo is reiterating the same rule again, they want to send a message that body shops are hurting the overall balance of the arrangement they had prior to when desi comapnies setup shops, and that they are keen on eliminating this source of imbalance.

    I agree completely. I fail to understand why people are so upset with this development. Your life will be better in the long run. Cant you all see ?


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  • NNReddy
    09-03 06:06 PM
    It's a sad day indeed for India(and AP in particular) to loose a dynamic leader with a vision. Go to every village in Andhra and ask them are they better off now compared to six years ago. YSR did a lot to AP, would have done much more if he lived.
    He made money, most of it legally, by establishing companies and getting contracts and positioning them for growth. Everyone had opportunity to do it. He also did a lot for poor people. Show me any other politician in india who had the vision or energy YSR has. Now that he died, it's really sad that we come up with so many things against him.
    Look at US media/people, kennedy died last week, did they say everything he got was because he was born as kennedy, he is indeed born into the family and family choose him as a senator when JFK became president. he became senator because of his birth, but he did lot of good, fought for health care, immigration and against war.
    It's not how you got the opportunity, but what you did with opportunity. YSR was born in middle class family, he climbed the ladder thru hard work. kennedy was born into wealth/privileage, he used it to further liberty. Yeah, both of them were not perfect, but the good they did outbalances the bad they did. What about all of us, what are we doing, just working in non-descript jobs, are we contributing anything to mankind(apart from our family) or nature?


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  • panini
    05-11 04:17 PM
    Because no other indian guy will call tamil as arava...In fact we hear it for the first time and no one knows or cares what it means.

    That is not a Sri Lankan word either. That is the first time I heard it myself.

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  • dreamworld
    05-02 01:12 AM
    Guys Peace..

    Every freedom fighter is a terrorist first. We can get this from history. Do you know who killed
    mahatma? Why? We can make a different argument. But there are differences between freedom fighters. But the ultimate goal is getting real freedom to the civilians who are fellow souls suffering from all kinds of issues from majority rulers.

    Not a single way to solve our immigration issue here in USA and not just ImmigrationVoice is fighting. It applies to any freedom struggle. There are many different freedom fighters fight for the same people for the same case.

    Guys look at Srilanka Tamil as Native Tamils from Srilanka and look what was done to them in the last 50 years from the beginning of Srilanka independence from British. Know the history and then make your point.

    There is a large humanitarian crisis for Srilanka Tamil in northern Srilanka after the Srilanka military invasion and world is ignoring it.

    I know nothing can be brought by killing people but only by peace and democratic and diplomatic approach can bring peace. Peace and Pray for all fallen freedom fighters in the world. Peace and NO WAR.


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  • Googler
    02-20 03:03 PM
    And then there this piece of info from Ron Gotcher posted on Feb 14, 2008
    "Last night, at a meeting of the American Immigration Lawyer's Assocation Southern California chapter, Charles Oppenheim spoke. Mr. Oppenheim is the officer within the Visa Office tasked with calculating visa bulletin cutoff dates each month. He offered the following thoughts as to cutoff date movement in the upcoming months:

    In April, India and China EB2 will be set at 12/01/2003
    EB3 for India and China will slow down for the rest of the fiscal year."

    I am riveted by this because I spoke to Oppenheim just the day before this meeting (he referred to it). This was the conversation in which he told me that at present EB-2 India would only get numbers leftover from EB-1 India -- the problem is he doesn't know either exactly how many EB-2 India adjudicated applications there are in any specific PD range -- so every month he makes wild guesses, with the intent of using up visas. So I guess at least as of 2/14/08 he thought moving the date to 12/1/03 would more than mop up whatever was leftover from EB-1 India. Given the end of the FBI boondoggle (the effects of which have not been quantified by Oppenheim or USCIS) I'd predict that even a date in early 2002 would be good enough to mop up. Let us see if he changes his mind by mid March.

    See update on this discussion on this thread (

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  • polapragada
    09-24 12:30 AM
    Sent the E-mail. tomorrow I will send another E-mail from my official ID

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  • jkays94
    05-10 10:40 PM
    I see a lot of people discussing about Canada.

    Any inputs about Australia and life down under?


    I don't know much about Australia but I can give a sample situation. One could get Australian PR, live there for two years, get citizenship, apply for a job in the US and enter on an E3 visa which is renewable every two years and allows one's spouse to work.

    04-23 12:43 PM
    I received an offer exactly same as above. Every thing is same (What a coincidence). Do you guys think it wont work if the original LC asked for masters but if you have BS + 14 yrs of exp, can we substitute ?

    thecipher5 , IskReddy , what is your suggestion ??

    02-16 02:26 PM
    I beleive Kuhelica and bfadlia have been planted by anti-immigrants to spread poison and hate in people's mind. looking at the number of posts they have posted, it seems like they are new members who are out there to sabotage the reforms that we have been talking about.

    We do not have to spend our energy and time answering each and every post of theirs. they do not deserve our time nor they are intelligent enough to rationalise.

    I and a couple of us have been repeatedly telling that we do not want ROW people to be affected nor we want country quota to be removed, but they have been targetting our race, our country, it has jealously writ all over... Just ignore them and move on. the more forward we move the more backward they stay..

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