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  • srkamath
    07-25 09:46 PM
    It is really simple.....

    Vertical Spillover

    EB2 (IN) ~ 12000 / year
    EB3 (IN) ~ 18000 / year

    Horizontal Spillover

    EB2 (IN) > 18000 / year
    EB3 (IN) < 12000 / year

    On another note.

    There is possibly an ongoing effort by some powerful people to compel "attrition by frustration" among all prospective immigrants. This Xenophobic philosophy will last till Jan2009, it will then subside.

    It is just like high oil prices - make hay while........

    Have faith in America, history shows it rights itself sooner rather than later.

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  • user2005
    01-23 06:11 PM
    I personally know a guy who used Nick's services. Bottomline, his 485 was rejected as Nick sold the same labor to other guys as well. As for him, spend some time on EAD and now he is back on H1. What happens to his VISA number. Returns to the pool? Which pool? Or is it lost as the VISA number was used from last year's quota.

    Can they use same LC for more than one I-140?
    Trying to understand damage done by LC substitution scams.

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  • pitha
    09-25 02:16 PM
    Unless IV request DOS for a quarterly spillover DOS would not do it. All the good things that happenned in the last 2 years were because of IV involvement starting with the July Fiasco when USCIS accepted 485 applications, I am sure the report published by USCIS about the pending 485 was done because of the FOIA filed by IV.

    A quarterly spill over is advantageous to every body in the playing field.

    It is obviously good for retrogressed groups. It is even good for CIS, since they can plan their work properly and use up the visas in an orderly fashion.

    So if IV can use some of its massive clout to convince DOS to do a quarterly spill over, that would be win-win for all.

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  • TeddyKoochu
    07-22 12:21 PM
    Smile - I can prove this is a relevant topic

    Some of these jokers (Quikstar..Amway) have filed GC in EB2 and Eb3 which is illegal, someday states Like Arizona will declare that anyone looking like us should be checked for Amway membership and deported

    Profiling is an issue and because of some jokers we all may have to go thru scrutiny.

    We should ask USCIS to check all GC applicants name in Amway database and if found USCIS needs to send them to Mexico (because illegal)..

    We should write to senators... your opinion on this? ( this way Indiancommunity can be clean and fight for legal hardworking people in immigration policy)

    Folks and friends some really nice knowledge sharing is happening here it’s a good discussion. The OP here is a completely fake person and is enjoying at our expense, he has nothing to do with legal immigration just getting pleasure here by instigating us.


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  • unseenguy
    06-16 06:51 AM
    Easy for you to say when you are applying for your citizenship. You sir, are an idiot. And if you were really on H1 for as long as you claim, you are a mean idiot, no less.

    Retrogression is a scar on the face of EB immigration.

    Thats the reason every immigration bill so far related to EB has tried to resolve this issue. Anyone who says retrogression is good is either misinformed or a pychopathic specimen that needs instant mental evaluation, followed by treatment and observation in an asylum. The observation should continue for as long as it takes a typical EB3-India case to get approved. To paraphrase your quote: "The truly cured would still be observed until their turn for release comes"

    I agree with you. This guy applied his GC in 2001 and got it in 2003. In just 2 years. He made a stupid decision to leave MSFT and then lost 3 jobs in a short span. He is some nut mental case who is happy seeing others getting screwed. Maybe he works his way up by pushing others down.

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  • bfadlia
    02-19 02:20 PM
    You are a racist b* who just thinks about yourself and you have been planted here by other camp. U must have come out of some gutter country where democracy has no meaning and you don't know meaning of majority. You are favoring an agenda because it is good for you today. get the hell of this website. You don't belong here you racist bigot. May be we will need to track your ip address and throw you from here at some point of time.You hate Indians and Chinese and come back to IV where we have majority. This is not going to happen.

    x: you are making idiotic arguments
    y: if you think indians and chinese are idiots then you need to leave IV

    please don't stop. your posts speak volumes on ur amazing mentality. i'm still amused.
    i have no problem listening to all that a* b* f* vocabulary, it only reflects on ur maturity, but there is a serious problem when someone continuously tries to drag race into a discussion that does not relate to it.. then in his childish tantrums decides to speak on IV's behalf.. people should be advised to stop doing that.


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  • pappu
    07-02 06:08 PM
    Immigration Voice is compiling experiences from members on the 02/07 Visa Bulletin incident. Please see the posts below.

    We encourage members to share their experiences with us. Please look at the posts below for focus and talking points, and post your stories on IV at
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  • longq
    02-13 02:17 PM
    Further division is not good.

    I was on record that DOS/USCIS misallocated visas in 2005. India received much more in eb3 then what they were entitled to. In fact, India, China, Mexico and Phillipines should have not gone over their 7% as a whole of the 250,000 greencards available. Because of this; dos/uscis learned their lesson and started to follow the law appropriately.

    I did say that if in 2006 any country went above their limit of 7% then it would cause a lawsuit which I would be a part of. However, there would be some negative outcomes from it. UScIS/DOS behaviour could only change going forward. They could revoke the greencards issued in 2005 for people who went over the 7% limit (uscis has upto 5 years to rescind greencard if approved by mistake) but they would not get re-allocated because there is no carryover from one year to the next in the current law. Only outcome would be to change it going forward. As I've said in the past; people were spoiled at the laziness of DOS/USCIS. Retrogression and the visa allocation should have happened a long time ago.

    Again wrong information by you and trying to hide background or historical information. Either USDOS/USCIS has not mismanaged the numbers in 2005. Claiming India and China was given more than they entitled to is wrong . They (DOS) did everything right till 2005. Now only they are violating. One has to study the historical issues before 1999. Before 1999, both India and China (both EB2 and EB3) were retrogressed heavily and backlogged. However ROW was current in all EB catagories. There was no retrogression in ROW. It was always current before 1999.

    For example, here is March 1999 VB

    All Charge-
    ability Areas CHINA-
    Except Those mainland

    1st C 22JAN98 C C C

    2nd C 08SEP96 08SEP97 C C

    3rd C 01JAN95 08FEB96 C C

    As a part of AC21 act in 2000, the unused numbers (about 100,000) were recaptured to eliminate the backlogs in EB categories. The reason was this recapture to remove retrogression in India and China, as because that was only two countries backlogged at that point.

    After that ac21 law, there were additional 100,000 visas available apart from 140,000 visas every year. DOS has given 100,000 additional visas to USCIS in 2000 itself to consume it. Because of USCIS slowness/inefficiency in processing 485s between 1999 and 2004, they even did not have processed the yearly quota. Therefore the recaptured visas were remain unused for 5 years because of USCIS inefficiency. Therefore, at some point, it has to be consumed. Therefore USCIS did backlog elimination drive in 2005 (6 months processing of 485s ) to use all the recaptured visas. The original intension to remove backlogs in India and China. That was done by USCIS. USCIS can not hold that recaptured numbers for ever (by imposing 7% limit in India and China) how the future demands will be in EB3-ROW. Far example, if ROW demands 200,000 EB3 visas in year 2020, USCIS/DOS can not hold that AC21 numbers (that were recaptured in 2000) for ROW to be consumed in 2020, by imposing 7% limit. No one can anticipate future demands.

    Theoretically speaking those numbers belongs (AC21 recaptured numbers came only from EB1 and EB2 pool) belongs to EB1 and EB2 category. EB3 never gave any unused numbers in previous years. Ideally speaking, those numbers should have been issued to EB2 category first to eliminate backlogs in EB2 then only to EB3 ROW. Infact, all the ac21 numbers were used to eliminate retro in EB3 only. In 2005 they issed only 44,000 EB2 compare to about 150,000 visas in EB3. This is big injustice to EB2 India and China.

    Bottom line is EB3-ROW is enjoying with the expense of EB2 India and China.


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  • Keeme
    03-31 03:14 PM
    Can I start a new thread asking who will be next president of Zimbabwe?

    What a waste of resources.

    You should if you belongs to Zimabwe.

    I don't know who is real " waste of resources" here ? People who are concerned about their mother country's future or people who call them "waster of resources" !!!


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  • trueguy
    09-23 04:44 PM
    I am waiting for my GC to buy a house.

    I second that. I am waiting for my GC before I make such a huge commitment to this country.


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  • gc_check
    06-15 01:45 PM
    Luck does plays in big role in EB Immigration.

    Prior to PERM, people applied from one of the States that were processing fast got the GC within couple years. People mainly from NY,NJ,CA,TX,OH and few others were those unlucky ones who had to go through back log elimination center with very old PD's. All, dates were current till Dec 31,2004 and most people who were able to get Labor approval prior to date were able to file 485 prior to this date and most got GC's. But BEC was slow in the beginning, they had this 45 day letter, etc... and by the time, labor approvals started from BEC, priority dates were already retrogressed. Still most people if not all got their GC's. They are still a significant numbers with PD's from 01,02 and 03 waiting in EB3 category and a few in EB2. Since late 2000 and 2001 were not a nice year for s/w sector, i believe a greater number of people were forced to change employment and without a approved I-140 they were not able to carry their PD. Also few folks stuck with a pending AOS somehow got lucky in July.

    There are multiple form posts with reference to Oppenheim statements and I quote the link from Murthy website

    I believe the significant % of numbers of pending application in EB2 would be with a PERM labor and all are with PD with March 2005 or later and few with traditional labor process. Assume 90% of applicants with PD earlier than 2003 should have got their GC's and if not will soon. EB3 would have a mix of folks waiting as many people are with PD 2004 or later and when dates were current, none bothered about the category in which GC/ labor was filed. EB3, had not gotten any unused visa from other categories and given the current scenario, it does not look bright either, unless EB2 is current, numbers don't trickle down to EB3 and EB3 ROW itself is in severe demand. I do know few unlucky friends of mine with EB3 PD of 2004 or earlier still waiting to file AOS.

    We all know, till Sept 09, nothing would change. Come Oct 2009, with FY10 visas, at least pre-prem EB2 folks have a better change but for EB3, unless you are 2001 / 2002 chance are very little in FY10 and folks with PD03 and sooner can cautiously bet on FY11, unless there is some congressional intervention, the only option is to wait...

    But if we can get one or two small relief, if not a complete solution to the entire mess, legislative solution like Not counting dependent (On average each primary application consume 2-3 visa numbers based on history), re-capture unused numbers, waive per country limit for n number of years or exclude people with PD older than 5 years and already in US (just an example) or exclude people who already have 40 credits points with SSA (At least these people have contributed to the country significantly ~10 yrs and already consider they are part of this society ) might help.

    Also, lately there seems to be a lot of venting out in the forums rather than having a constructive debate / discussion. Also just talking does not translate to results.

    It is practically not possible for all to be actively involved in works IV core is doing (appreciate them) for various reasons but small or big at the least, a one time contribution from all who have not done so far might help these folks who dedicate their time and energy and result in a relief for all. Change doesn't come @ ease. I am not active either, but from time to time, I try to do the small part I can. Given the dynamic environment we are in, we need to do something today or it is too late.... This forum has 30,000 + members and $10 per individual could translate to 300K that can be put to good use. Nothing is free in this world.

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  • unseenguy
    06-11 06:20 PM
    To be honest, I do agree that the US needs qualified people with skillsets. The real question is "Are the people from the desi consulting companies the real qualified lot ? " Just to get my background details out of the way. I am a new member, from India ofcourse, and I have recently applied for my citizenship. Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. Staffing companies to a decent extent followed rules and tried to get the best and the brightest. Once the dot com boom started, people from all walks of life entered IT. This was true of not just the Indians but also of people in the US. Soon after the bust, the value proposition from these staffing companies was simply low cost. This is not to blame the staffing companies. They behaved in an economically rational way.

    Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.

    In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.

    In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.

    With this kind of attitude, I wonder what fresh ideas or "bright" ideas you bring to the table and how qualified you are to say this. Enjoy your LUCK and thats it. You are no more qualified.


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  • garybanz
    12-14 02:01 PM
    Federal Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) Laws

    The Federal laws prohibiting job discrimination are:

    Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VII), which prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin;

    the Equal Pay Act of 1963 (EPA), which protects men and women who perform substantially equal work in the same establishment from sex-based wage discrimination;

    the Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 (ADEA), which protects individuals who are 40 years of age or older;

    Title I and Title V of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA), which prohibit employment discrimination against qualified individuals with disabilities in the private sector, and in state and local governments;

    Sections 501 and 505 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, which prohibit discrimination against qualified individuals with disabilities who work in the federal government;


    the Civil Rights Act of 1991, which, among other things, provides monetary damages in cases of intentional employment discrimination.

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  • bestia
    02-16 02:32 PM
    dear Bestia, I don't recall anyone calling the situation you described racism. I for one said it's human nature's favorism and, like it or not, it does jeopordize diversity, so you will have a hard time convincing US to let go something it wants for the sake of something else just because it's better for you.


    I still fail to see how country caps on Employment Based immigration serve the purpose of diversity. Look, people from India/China with H1B visas and pending AOS applications are already here, right? They are here and will be here regardless of whether they get GCs now or after 10 years. Many of them bought houses, have families, American born kids. How making them wait for years is gonna serve the purpose of diversity? You think if an Indian guy will be using AC21/EAD for years, going to finger printing every year, going through secondary security check on airports, in time he is gonna evolve into something less Indian? It's gonna be the same people but with different documents in their pockets.

    For diversity purposes there is lottery, and the purpose of that lottery is exactly that - the diversity. Also, if the government wants diversity, they should have immigration program like Canada has. Where people are issued permanent residency BEFORE coming to the country and spending years working for that country.


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  • manderson
    10-18 12:25 PM (

    Immigration board short of staff as backlog grows


    OTTAWA -- The number of immigrants and refugees waiting for permission to stay in Canada has grown since the Conservatives took power last February, the chairman of the Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada told a Commons committee yesterday.
    "This year, the IRB has a complement of 156 members. As of today, we have 40 vacancies," Jean-Guy Fleury said at a meeting of a parliamentary immigration committee.
    When he appeared before the committee in May, Mr. Fleury said he was optimistic that the backlog of cases would drop below 20,000. And it did fall to 19,800 a short time later, he said yesterday.
    But, because there are not enough people to hear cases, it has since climbed to 20,500 and Mr. Fleury said he expects it will quickly hit 24,500. The government, meanwhile, has made just eight new appointments and 12 reappointments since the January election, he said.
    "In the absence of appointments and reappointments, I cannot fulfill my promises to this committee on processing times and innovative reforms," Mr. Fleury said.
    Lesley Harmer, spokesperson for Immigration Minister Monte Solberg, said the minister has taken several steps to get the positions filled.
    "We have brought in reforms that have reduced the process for applicants down from eight months to four months," Ms. Harmer said.
    "As well, at the minister's urging, to cast the net wide and ensure potential candidates are informed, an advertisement was placed in the Canada Gazette and national newspapers to draw in a new pool of applicants for openings on the board. This resulted in more than 350 new candidates. We're also continuing to look for ways to reform the system and get competent, professional members on the board."
    But opposition members who sit on the immigration committee said Mr. Solberg must act quickly to fill the vacancies.
    "I think it is a very serious issue," said Bill Siksay, the NDP immigration critic. "The vacancies mean that the work's not getting done, that important decisions aren't being made, that people are being left in limbo."
    Mr. Fleury said he has met with the minister about eight times since the election and that the only reason for those meetings is to discuss appointments, Mr. Siksay said. "So I think that the minister is a barrier in all of this."
    Liberal immigration critic, Raymonde Folco, a former member of the Immigration and Refugee Board, said the backlog that her party started to reduce is now increasing again.
    "I know from experience that it takes an awful lot of people to take care of these hundreds and hundreds of refugee claimants who come in every year," Ms. Folco said.
    "Just in terms of mathematics, when you divide the number of immigration judges we have now by the number of cases that come in, you realize that gives such a load to people that they can't support it."
    Meili Faille, the Bloc's immigration critic, also blamed the minister and the Conservative government for the problem.
    There have been many complaints from lawyers, Ms. Faille said, "but also from people in our constituencies where their hearings are being postponed and delayed and what the IRB revealed to us this morning is that backlogs are increasing since the Conservatives have been in place."

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  • bayarea07
    07-27 05:51 PM
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  • ronhira
    01-13 03:24 PM
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  • BharatPremi
    07-11 12:48 PM

    Same applies to you.. If you are so crazy about Bharat, what are you doing here.... HEHEHE. Just thought that it was kinda funny statement because of your name....BharatPremi --- :D

    My "Avtar Name" is "BharatPremi" not "BharatVasi" To do "Prem" you do not have to be "vasi":)

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  • mallu
    05-14 03:26 AM
    Next wave of investments will go here :

    Companies in line : IBM, MicroSoft, Dell, Sun, HP etc.

    01-14 03:17 PM
    She says AILA is aware and very well understands all the repercussions of this on attorneys too. She will post back on their updates as and when she gets.

    Hope they will help us fight together.

    07-17 10:12 AM
    Dear Attorney,

    I am from India and working as a Software Programmer / Analyst in a decent company and I am using AC21 with this company...and my Green Card journey started September 2002.

    Labor applied (EB3) - September 2002
    Labor approved - July 2003
    I-140 / I-485 applied - December 2003
    I_140 approved - August 2004 after responding to an RFE
    Two times finger prints done and name check is done.
    RFE about sons birth certificate -- responded last year.

    But still the way things are going with Visa numbers and seems no light at the end of the tunnel. I am decided to change EB3 to EB2.

    What would you suggest?

    Where can I find the process for this switch (EB3 to EB2) ??

    Is there any benefit switching from AOS to Consular Process?

    Thanks and appreciate your response.

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