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  • Imigrait
    06-13 12:22 AM
    look man wether anyone likes it or not fact is that jobs are going to two countries with a billion dollar plus population ... they are hardworking and they are verrrrrrrryyyyy hungry.... so even if you stop immigrants alltogether from coming to this country .. it does not matter. The jobs will simply go there (to China and India). After all the companies exist to serve their shareholders and not their employees and the simplest way to maximize profit is to cut cost. Simple!!! the outsourcing offshoring train has just started and there is no stopping it.

    You may argue to some extent that the complexity of your job will provide your protection but the fact is management is always scared off complex functions that require expensive resources (i.e human beings) .. management will always want to break down your job to lowest common denominator so that it can be shipped or done at lower cost. For that they will be willing to go all the way - including changing technology , buying into marketing BS or spending millions of dollars.

    Also if the american market dies is that going to be a very big deal ? not anymore .. the domestic market of both India and China is getting bigger everyday .. the fire has been lit and the horse has been left out of the stable .. its at a point of no return.

    So brace for the change because the times are a changing...

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  • thomachan72
    01-13 01:46 PM
    Long 19 page memo - but loud and clear for many scenarios -

    This memo is an eye opener especially for folks on consulting company assignments and those who are self-sponsored or who want to do their own business. Finding a new H1 sponsor would be extremely difficult as well (AC21 folks beware).

    Now getting a new H1 or a transfer or a renewal, may be subject to very stringent scrutiny.

    This memo has the potential to throw a lot of small boutique Consulting companies out of business and along with it many of their employees - whether they use H1 or not.

    Wish the best for all affected folks.
    Pray and hope the GC dream is realized faster for all.

    Best Wishes

    Please explain why these (see above) will be more difficult if you have read it. What precautions / strategy our members can take etc.

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  • swo
    07-12 09:22 PM
    Well then what are you doing here in USA? Why you are not in Canada, Australia or wherever the f@@k you think is good and better than USA?

    As I mentioned, I love it in the States. But to love the States is not to say other places are not also very good. And when weighing your options between perpetual immigration and settling somewhere else, there might be value in considering other options. Which by the way, is the point of the this thread. Perhaps nuance is lost on someone of your obvious genius.

    Also, I was quoting from a set of facts related to The Economists quality of life Indexes. Helping to inform people. In addition to that, I've lived many, many years in all 3 countries.

    You on the other hand, contributed exactly what to the conversation?

    I hope you recall your message to me next time you complain about the US immigration system and they say "So? If you hate it so much, why don't you F@@K off back to where you came from?"

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  • GCapplicant
    01-22 02:26 PM
    Recently , Immi officers are randomly dashing thru H1B sponsor companies ,where any H1B petitions have gone thru or waiting for renewal. NJ -

    So guess its getting tougher - They have set of questions - from POEntry date with eaxct details of the petitioner.

    How many H1's the company has issued , salary matching with Tax copies.

    Guess - if the company has no base or structure , the so called employees name inot there physically or the whereabouts .

    This happened today a checking in NJ. All the papers should be in hand

    Its getting tougher


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  • snathan
    03-30 02:12 PM
    What did you get from this Govt. (any ??)
    What did your home get from this Govt, (any ??)
    What did your City get from this Govt. (any ?/)
    What did your state get from this Govt, (any ??)

    Why do you want this Govt ?.

    Do some research on Nuclear deal and see what it will bring to India in the next couple of decades. And tell me what Mr.Advani brought us when they were in power.

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  • MYGC2008
    09-23 05:50 PM
    By Looking into Data provided, INDIA EB2 should get more Visa this year.

    Look at the Data for EB2 CHINA
    for 2004 it is 123 and for 2005 it is 4100.

    If the Cutoff Dates does not move for China/India ,How they going to use spillover visas?
    This is really interesting
    Since EB1 is Current and Rest all Eb2(except CHINA/INDIA) are current. This time there will be huge spillover.

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  • sachug22
    09-15 03:16 PM
    you are correct India will get only 50% of sipill over numbers and we need to take into account how many China applications are pending (perhaps there are more China apps than India in EB2)

    There are 2.5 EB2-I application per EB2-C application. And EB2 China had cutoff dates of early 2005 in 2009 (they did not enjoy too much spillover in 2009). So my guess it that China will use its 3k annual limit + spillover numbers (depending on how much EB2-C dates move). The spillover would be split 25% china and 75% India.


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  • longq
    02-13 03:09 PM
    They do not have to go to 7% if they don't want to. However; they can't go over it; if there is more demand then supply.

    I am not disputing this. Entire discussion here is how to handle if demand is less than supply due to the impose of 7%.

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  • PlainSpeak
    01-13 01:19 PM
    Few questions for the self proclaimed expert analyst who started this thread -
    1) How many lawmakers have you met to represent these provisions you claim to be so passionate about?
    2) Have you visited capitol hill and tried to understand what the congress thinks about EB legislation? I did - during the IV advocacy event last year with hundreds of eb2 and eb3 members.
    3) How many members here have you actually worked worked with? Because the people I know here who actually do the grass root work with me (both eb2 and eb3) do not care about theb category they belong to.

    I know you do not have any real responses...only abuses which you responded with on the other thread.
    Its funny how plainspeak is the one usually doling out the abuses but claims to be the victim.
    Ahhh my friend forever_waiting, how are you. It is good to see your reply to the post. Will be do this the civilized way or the old way??

    In direct response to your post

    First i am not a expert nor an analyst musch less a self proclaimed expert analyst. Take that as a given and we can procced further

    1) How many lawmakers have you met to represent these provisions you claim to be so passionate about?
    None because i do not believe in supporting, representing or furthering the agenda of an organization which has loop holes in it and is determental to my case

    2) Have you visited capitol hill and tried to understand what the congress thinks about EB legislation?
    I did - during the IV advocacy event last year with hundreds of eb2 and eb3 members.
    No i have not. Why do i need to visit capitol hill and view in person what congress thinks about EB legislation when i can do the same by watching CSPAN(I am a regular watcher expecially when there is something immigrant related going on. All a process of expanding my knowlesge of immigration or do you think i got up yesterday morning and decided that i want to fight with IV. If you did then i am sorry i gave you more credit then that. And please do not start a new thread about how lazy i am and how i want others to work for me and how i just want the benefit without effort. That would be old and stale. If there is something to be done in which i believe i will be the first to jump in and volunteer

    3) How many members here have you actually worked worked with? Because the people I know here who actually do the grass root work with me (both eb2 and eb3) do not care about theb category they belong to.
    YES and i never said you are not fair. I know EB2 and EB23 owkr toghether in IV. My efforts of meeting people have been made outside the scope of what you and others do. I am being modest when i say this but i was the first person in my company to make generate awareness about what IV did and how it is helping immigrants like us and encouraged them to visit the website and read about what IV is all about. This is about 75 to 100 indains (EB2 and EB3) in an organization of size 500 during teh time period 2006 to 2007. Now most of them were EB2 so they got their green card and i am sure are no longer on the IV forum anymore. I am sure those who are still on IV forum are EB3 like me. How much they parrticipate, it is hard to tell. Maybe they were smarter than me and got dissalusioned with IV way before i did. They might be porting or they might not be for all i know
    Besides that i am pretty much regular on Murthy where i have provided advise or tried to help people with information whne i could (O f course all of this was H1B/ Visit Visa stuff). Even today on IV forum i am trying my level best to help peopl ewith information related to AOS/EAD/140/485 etc
    I am sorry because what i did till now is nowhere near what you and other IV volunteers are doing but i do what i can when i can.

    My friend forever_waiting, I hope i answered everything to your satisfaction

    As to the below
    I know you do not have any real responses...only abuses which you responded with on the other thread. Its funny how plainspeak is the one usually doling out the abuses but claims to be the victim. I am sorry i am done trying to explain it to you all over again. May god grant you wisdom


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  • GCBoy786
    09-27 11:21 AM
    I feel that this will be an excellent idea. Atleast some people will be eliminated from the queue. I believe there are lot of people waiting for their GC to buy a home. It will also benefit them.

    I sent the emails to some of the senators in the list.

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  • JazzByTheBay
    12-13 04:31 PM
    Wouldn't you think? If we have enough resources (a membership-based IV), perhaps we could explore the possibility of legal action, perhaps even a class action (not a lawyer myself... so not sure if that's in the realm of possibility... ), against this unconstitutional statute that restricts skilled folks from certain countries on the basis of diversity.

    Diversity would be OK if folks from other countries weren't getting their Green Cards because of lack of immigrant visa numbers (in absence of per-country quota). But if each year the annual quotas of 140K aren't beint utilized, there's no rationale for restricting folks born in certain countries even though they have the necessary skills, imo.

    Overall, treating countries with a population of 1 billion and over the same as countries with a lower population than the city of Los Angeles is insane.


    employment base makes up only about 11% of all immigration
    the country would not be "colonized" by choosing people for this category on merit alone. as for 90%- this is too is frankly a wave in my view, all things change, for now many Indian techs want to come and they have jobs available, tomorrow one or both of those things may not be true. But none that justifies treating people differently because of where they are born.

    this is entirely my personal opinion: if extended families (like adult siblings and their entire families) were excluded from FB, country quotas would lose some of their "need" and FB would not have to be the overwhelming majority of immigration numbers.

    How about I ask you why the "diversity" is not needed in other things. how about a quota for religion? profession? color of skin...? all those can be diversity issue. What if I said not more than 7% STEM graduates? I'm sure the Programmers Guild would agree. If you don't like those ideas, why country of birth?

    The fact remains though that EB is a skill based category. If I or you(?) join a company with identical (or better) credentials as someone from Congo/Sweden/Belize (whatever), they would have an EB2 GC in 1-2 years, we would sit for 10 and stew under multiple career holds and restrictions. Since no body from India would ever get the EB2 GC quickly, an entire subset of immigrants (based on country of birth) are ALWAYS held behind. You are presuming that somehow this benefits the US. Get skilled immigrants- but don't let a whole bunch of them rise to their levels of ability because they were born wrong. I am at a disadvantage because other people from my country applied for a GC. But when my employer takes me on, he does not care where I was born. My skillset has nothing to do with it. Why is my application (which is based on that employer and my skillset) hostage to something that is not even in the equation? This country is about individual freedom. I am here and an applicant for GC as an individual. What do I have to do with others who apply?

    Fair? You decide.


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  • Macaca
    02-19 06:15 PM
    There may be restarunt managers got GC thro EB1. I know one guy got GC thro EB1-Multinational manager thro a small consulting firm having less employees in both India and USA.

    Why is it surprsing that Skill Bill is not passing when restaurant manager is getting GC before US CS Ph D?

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  • mariusp
    03-28 12:52 PM

    I spoke to two immigration attorneys about how this may affect pending I-140 cases with the USCIS and this is the reply I received:

    Response 1:

    I am aware of the proposed rule (and the DOL link you sent me). But this applies only to pending labor certification applications and to approved labor certification applications not yet filed with USCIS. Neither one of these situations applies in your case. Of course the elimination of substitution is a proposed rule only and no one can tell exactly if and when and how the final rule will come out.

    Response 2:

    Highly unlikely that this change would affect a case that was already filed.

    Just to be safe I will request to convert to PP.


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  • sunty
    02-13 01:47 PM
    After reading all these comments specially the one from walking_dude, I think its prudent of IV for engaging USCIS in a constructive way....Even though it is very frustrating for us now, it would be a mistake to cut all connections to USCIS by a lawsuit..

    Lawsuit should be explored as a last resort for relief and I am for it..

    There are a number of things:

    1) A lawsuit cannot increase the GC visa numbers. Courts cannot change the law. The only relief we can seek through a lawsuit is to recapture the wasted visa numbers in the previous decade that amount to 218000.

    2) No matter how angry and frustrated we are, we should keep our cool heads and contribute as much as we can to the letter campaign. This might achieve some results. If it happens, it will provide big immediate relief and help reduce the backlogs.

    3) Lets see what's going on with the "Scaled down CIR type" bill House Dems are talking about, as mentioned my Greg Siskind etc. Hopes for this are low but no harm in hoping.

    4) I do see the light at the end of the tunnel. Once the new President steps in(Democratic or Republican), full-blown CIR would be revived. For legal EB immigrants, it would overhaul the whole GC system, making it point based and would most probably include EB visa reacpture and visa increase. This might happen in early 2009.

    5) With USCIS hiring 1500 employees and adjucators, processing times might improve.

    This is the time even the lawsuit would take to get some relief, if at all.

    So, let's be patient and keep the lawsuit option (if it possible) absolutely as a last resort.

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  • Macaca
    06-26 09:43 PM
    unless there are enough approvals happening simultaneously, dates would not retrogress in the middle of the month.

    There were lot of approved cases with USCIS. They have started getting their GCs.

    The # of current applicants who will get GCs will depened on # of approved cases USCIS had.


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  • vdlrao
    07-21 02:26 PM

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  • Aah_GC
    07-13 05:00 PM

    All I meant was - TN is again just a visa after all and is just another version of the H1B hell. You ought to do better than just working for some one to pursue your American Dream right? What use it is to keep looking for an employer, extending your visas - is that not just a glorified version of H1B? True freedom is when you could quit an ass of any employer and come back home with your head held high :)

    TN is not a modified H1B. With TN you do not have a dual intent: you cannot apply for a green card straight through TN status -- you would have to adjust your status to H1, L1, or any other immigrant status and only then apply for a green card.

    TN is given for two years. You must be a Canadian citizen (not just a PR!) to qualify for TN status. Mexican citizens must obtain the actual TN visa, while Canadians don't. There are occupations that do not qualify for TN status.

    Your wife can just as easily file for a TN in her occupation. Yes, you need an employer in the USA to get TN status, but I don't see a big problem with it. I work for a relatively small IT company (about 90 employees), and we hire people from anywhere in the USA and Canada. Our recruitment personnel conducts online and phone interviews, and a job offer can be made before the candidate ever visits our state. I'm sure many companies follow the same practice.

    With TN you get stamped at the border (Canadian, not Mexican :)) -- and welcome (back) to the USA! If you follow the guidelines, it's very simple to get this status. I'm not sure which country gets your taxes, though. Since I'm quite a few years away from my Canadian citizenship, the information I currently have was sufficient to satisfy my curiosity about TN status. ;)

    Another interesting idea about Canada-USA work/immigration popped up today in conversation with my immigration lawyer. If you have a managerial position in a company that has offices in USA and Canada, you can jump on L1 visa. This will let you file in EB-1 category if you want to go for a green card. There are some additional requirements: you need to work as a manager in the company's branch in Canada for at least a year; when you apply for a green card, the company will need to prove that the Canadian office will keep operating after you get your green card and leave Canada. Nevertheless, it's a possibility that is definitely better than EB-3 or EB-2.

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  • ns33
    02-18 02:18 PM
    Did you ask you lawyer? It's so much easier to criticize.
    My immigration lawyer laughed when I asked about a possibility of filing WOM to force action on my stalled I-485. So I proceeded myself. Yes, I did many mistakes but I ultimately prevailed. AILF lawyer and Assistant US Attorney could not believe that an ordinary programmer can write quality legal briefs and challenge the government. Some of my friends did not bother with WOM and are still waiting while others followed and received green cards. If you think outside of the box, you can achieve something others could not.

    Not sure if this was answered earlier... however, since this is employment based immigration and every step of the way we've needed to have our employer's approval/sponsorship to do anything; can 485 beneficiary be a plaintiff in such case without their employer's consent? especially if employer is one the the major corps.? how realistic it is to assume that a major corporation. would like one of their H1-B lead class action against USCIS?

    07-16 05:38 PM
    How many of you think theres a Possibility of Current for EB2 India in either of the Jul/Aug/Sep 2009 bulletins, just like a more than 2 years jump in Aug 2008 bulletin.

    Hello Mr.vdlrao,
    When do you think 2008FebEB2 will be current? Any comments? :D

    09-04 07:11 PM

    Did you guys let ChanduV23 go of the hook? :D:D:D.. I see him hanging in here..;)
    May be you tried and mud didn't stick on him han?
    Long weekend is ahead folks.. go easy on each other:) have a wonderful labor day...

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