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  • breddy2000
    09-03 11:40 PM

    You picking on CHANDUV23 is unwarranted. You lack debating skills. Do you have a argument to make against "unprecedented political killings, govt and personal land grabbing, corruption, and opportunistic politics of YSR" ?

    Wow supporting to your own alias comments... And on top of it creating multiple IDs to increase your reputation.

    Is this not how you break the system????....This is called Corruption my friend....

    I can't help myself Laugh the hell out your stupid behavior ....LOL

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    07-03 10:24 AM
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  • chanduv23
    08-16 12:03 AM
    I just read through this thread and made some interesting observations.

    We all have our own opinions and I am bringing all this into context by considering the fact that most people on this thread are people of Indian origin.

    So here is my opinion too.

    Looks like there is a process followed by the security officials that flags people based on certain factors.

    Now, we can talk for hours and discuss and debate - but we really don't know how such a system is working. It might be working great in the POV of some people who claim that it helps with filtering out the terrorists.

    If it is a frequest occurance and is affecting everyone - then there is definitely issues with such a system - but do we hear such stories regularly? We don't. We hear stories of Abdul Kalam or Shilpa Shetty or Sharukh Khan because they are celebrities.

    It might be happening quite often and we never know.

    It looks like a lot of "discretionary" power lies in the hands of these officers and at times they may just not listen or heed to anyone.

    In my opinion a "discretionary" power is something that needs to be associated with good judgement. Rules and systems are in place to "help with things in a good way" and need not be the other way.

    If someone feels bad about something - it is not their fault as one cannot control one's feelings. This is exactly what President Obama explained at the "beer summit"

    In the modern world the definition of racism has changed. There is nothing called racism or discrimination which relate to their original meanings. For eg.. Indian students in Australia not necessarily be attacked by a particulal race - most time they are attacked by a mob of different kinds of people.

    In reality "all of us are living in today's world where there are issues - some are vocal about it, some deny it, some supportit and some oppose it.

    Lets think like a cynic - cynical people are good thinkers because all those cynics out there have become so due to series of different experiences the eventually changes the way they think.

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  • ss1026
    03-29 06:19 PM
    you just proved how ignorant you are, coz US president's biological father is not a muslim.....His father is born in a christian family but was raised by a their neighbor who happened to be a Muslim family. His father never converted to Islam neither the family who raised his father tried to convert him but yes his father did adopt this Muslim family's name hence we see Hussain as his middle name.

    My point was to shine some light on the original posters logic. We love this country for giving us equal rights irrespective of our background but the poster was arguing that Rahul gandhi is unfit because he might have a parsi/muslim lineage.

    I dont give a rat's behind if Barack's father was a muslim/atheist/hindu/jew. The point was to appreciate that the US electorate voted for person named Barack Hussein Obama in these times. We also know that he is the son of an immigrant which also gives a lot of us some hope

    PS: This is besides my point but Wikipedia says Barack Sr was born in a muslim family. Maybe you can tell them they are ignorant too.


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  • pal351
    07-21 02:09 PM
    I hate their scheming means to rope you in. They keep calling you and bug you to death. Is there anything that you could do to repel Amway desis? Any sprays, creams, poison?

    I came accross couple of people and I saved their number as never answer their calls, even though one guy called me everyday 2-4 times for one month, gave up it seems. One couple gave us some samples from Amway in first meet, junky food never even look at them, :(:(

    Lost one good friend with this.

    All the best guys.

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  • oguinan
    02-13 11:29 AM
    I'm not sure that your numbers add up. There's no guarantee that anybody would receive a green card before their 90 or 180 day I-94 expires. Leaving the US and reentering to remain in status then runs the risk of putting immigration application in danger. In reality - PERM takes a couple of months to complete with advertising, interviewing, preparing documents and filing. The I-140/485 process takes another 6-8 months assuming that there are no RFEs and your case is processed in the faster service centers. This timescale only works for ROW applicants if they meet the EB-2 standard. This is not an easy standard to meet for many people who have worked at the same employer for a number of years.

    On a separate note, CIS is supposed to meet a standard where most green card applications are evaluated within less than a year. They claim to meet this standard by quickly approving applications whose dates are current and then not including backlogged applications in their calculations. One more example of fuzzy math at the CIS...

    to file a 485 a person has to be in non immigrant status.

    The dual intent doctrine applies if a person is on a non dual intent visa and they file a 140 or a 485 and they then try to extend their non immigrant visa. At this point it will get denied. However, as long as they dont' have to renew it (because they have a 485 filed), then they are good to go for the greencard.

    it is only an issue in trying to renew a non dual intent visa once you have showed immigrant intent. This would be a person who can't file the 485 but instead has a 140 or 130 filed for them. At this point dos/uscis would not allow them to extend the status or allow them back into the country.


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  • jnayar2006
    05-10 10:01 PM
    The question of immigration to which country is better would probably yield one and the same answer based on the parameters that appear relevant to most people. However, the comparison of immigration processes and systems is an entirely different question - in theory, an employment based immigration system would be a lot better if it is based on correct assumptions. However, an employmet based system that ties an employee to the same job for the duration of the application process, and which requires that the same application processing be redone every time an employee changes jobs, while curtailing the maximum period of time the employee can work in the country is flawed. If the reasoning behind this is that the employee has to show that he/she is indespensible to that one job (with all the highly specific skills that come attached to the job description) which no US citizen/resident is qualified to do, should statistics not show that the majority of positions for which green cards were applied for and obtained have the same employee continuing in that role long after the said employee gets a green card? I would be very surprised if the numbers show that a significant number of employees stick around for any period longer than a year or so in their current, gc-approved roles (and by that, I mean the exact same role for which the GC was applied for - be it with the same company or elsewhere.). In a dynamic market for labor where "skillability" and "learnability" are much more important than current skills and learning, how important is the applicability of a person's current skills to a job that would anyway keep evolving or even changing altogether, during the 6 years of so that a person is employed in that capacity while waiting for the green card?

    As long as any amount of faith can be placed on education as an indicator of a person's value to the society, one could contend that a person's level of education and employment *history* (not just the current job) can certainly be used as an excellent proxy for the person's value as an employee to the Nation's economy. Comparing this to the immigration process of Canada etc where the skilled immigrants have not been able to find productive employment commensurate with their titles does not take into account the differences between the two economies. The problem is that skilled immigration and the resultant increase of one factor of production - labor, does not necessarily mean that there is a corresponding increase in another extremely important factor of production - entrepreneurship. Over a period of time, though, this will change - the skilled immigrant population of countries like Canada is still relatively young - eventually, with all the other factors of production coming together, and hopefully, with suitable backing via policies that support a good business climate, things will improve in these countries as well. And this is the main thrust of amny of our arguments to the policy makers - if government policy towards improving the economy using skilled immigration is better in other countries that in the US, then the US is losing some piece of the economic progress pie.

    Just my $0.02.

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  • poorslumdog
    05-03 01:23 AM

    This reminds me a hilarious movie Burn After Reading!
    I am almost rolling on the floor here...

    Should I say who supports Prabhakaran here are LTTE or LTTE sponsored ? I don't think so:D:D

    You are the only one talking about LTTE or prabaharan. No one cares. Others are talking about u know the meaning for that.


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  • ryan
    08-17 02:40 PM
    [QUOTE=sainwa;701250]has any one thought why did this happened at the same time when he is making a movie about a "Khan in US"? QUOTE]

    Exactly! And most Indians being the b'wood lovers they are - fell hard, as always.

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  • chmur
    02-12 11:05 PM
    Some of the events in the last week seem to indicate so ??

    1. Writeoff FBI namechecks pending for > 180 Days
    2. Moving EB3 dates in smaller increments . Eb3 India was moved by ~3 Months

    Step 1 was crucial because this will enable USCIS to approve all the applications within 'Current Dates'. Atleast now, USCIS will know pretty clearly where they stand when they move the dates (in conjunction with DOS) , unlike last June fiasco.

    Step 2 ; Moving the dates in reasonable increments indicates they do not want to loose control of approval process . Lot of 2003 /04 filers got GC's in last July at the cost 2001/2002 filers . It was obviously arbitrary once they made everything current and probably depended on how eager an officer was to grab those visa numbers for his /her cases. USCIS lost control over the process.

    Regarding EB2 heart burn - Blame it on substitute filers, obviously most of the line breakers would have used EB2 rather than EB3. But I think eventually EB2 will get higher priority and move faster then EB3 once the Unused numbers from others categories gets distributed after June /July. Calm your nerves.

    I only wish if they had streamlined the process in this fashion about 3-4 years back . We would have not lost 200,000 visas and most of the dates would have been current or at the most 2 years behind. Very reasonable.

    Am I dreaming....has USCIS got it's act together??

    I forget , IV was not around 3-4 years back.

    But we cannot be too enthusiastic about these good news because unless those 200,000 numbers are recaptured the dates will soon get struck in near future .


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  • geevikram
    11-09 11:41 PM
    I would love to see how close is Sachug with his predictions once Dec bulletin comes through..

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  • lalithkx
    07-15 06:04 PM

    I found that priority date field on my I-140 receipt is empty. Will this create any problem??
    I filed concurrently lasy july and MY PD will be current next month. I applied at NSC but got transferred to TSC.

    Thanks for the answers


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  • dilipcr
    06-11 07:49 PM
    "Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. "

    i am not interested in giving red or blue dots but i do hope your citizenship application gets stuck in a processing delay, you too will then realize the implication of your so called Darwinian flush :rolleyes: As they say...when it happens to others its a recession, when it happens to you it turns into a depression...good luck..

    I hope your post did not imply that the ones who got GC's were the 'brightest and the best'.

    My intention was not to devalue the merits of the incoming batch of immigrants. As I said, around 20% of the group are truly the best and the brightest. This was the case after the dotcom crash and will most likely be the case going forward. We had the same delays, retrogressions , guaranteed employment verification RFEs etc. used to be the immigrationvoice of the times. I do not see much difference for the techies between what was then and what is going on now in terms of delays. I see 2 dramatic changes though
    1. People arent patient enough during these times. You would agree to the amount of venting going on in this site.
    2. The incessant dumping of low cost of L1s by the outsourcing companies.

    If you think through deeply, the second point is what is causing all the heartburn among the people waiting for their GCs. Believe me. All these extrapolated timelines that scream that getting GC today would take 10 years are all bogus. These headlines were the same then too. I can confidently say that the GC process will move fast within a year's time once the layoffs stop. It is just that can you survive till the govt policies become more rational ? That is where the argument about the best and the brightest come into place. If you are one, you would survive this and you will get your GC within 3 years. Honestly, my ntention was to calm the nerves of those people genuinely talented and waiting for their GCs. If I had missed out on that count, I think I should improve my communication. The arwinian flush was just to highlight that fact.

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  • a1b2c3
    05-30 01:41 PM
    I've read other people's comments in this thread about how Cognizant is misusing EB1 category. I know a couple of folks who did that. This is something that should be brought up to the right people's observation. I plan to submit WH-4 atleast to begin with, against this company. Please PM me if you know anyone else who frauduently represented himself/herself for EB1 category.

    While you are at it, can you please also request USCIS to revoke the EADs they issued to many EB2/EB3 folks and their spouses in the July of 07 when their PDs were nowhere even close to the being current in the previous months of the same year?


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  • gc4me
    02-14 08:22 AM
    Looks like endless discussion is going on here..
    I think that USCIS has done some injustice with EB3 ROW. And I would like to talk to an attorney about the possibilities to sue the USCIS about this. I need some people with me so that we can better explain our issues and form a group to ease the process.
    Please send me PM if you agree with my view and want to go forward.

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  • angelfire76
    01-14 02:38 PM
    What these guys are really trying to achieve is bring back the good old days of high billing rates. I guess they see that the desi consulting company is responsible for driving down the quality as well as rates and salaries. The memo gives examples that would make it ok for large consulting companies like Accenture, Infy, PWC, etc, but not ok to be a *tech or *soft desi consulting company.

    Aren't billing rates the reason why the Indian IT biggies decided to establish business consulting practices? They are offering to bring the same employee that a PWC or Accenture brings in, but at a lower rate to the client.
    The quality difference is also not huge (one lisps better in English and another doesn't); there's junk everywhere and these big IT companies also hire people at minimum H-1B wage to improve margins. Lot of times you get what you pay for.


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  • Pegasus503
    02-14 08:05 PM
    Enforce country cap on Family based GC/DV lotterry for the diversity sake. FYI India and China don't have access to DV Lottery. This system is insane and let's not fight among ourselves to defend this crappy immigration system. . U may see ROW retrogress to 1998 in next VB and what will u say then ?. Bottom line is Fighting will not take us anywhere and changing this unpredictable system will be the only way to go.

    the Divertsity Visa Lottery progam,

    following countries[1] are not eligible to apply because they sent a total of more than 50,000 immigrants to the United States over the period of the previous five years:

    BRAZIL, CANADA, CHINA (mainland-born), COLOMBIA, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, EL SALVADOR, HAITI, INDIA, JAMAICA, MEXICO, PAKISTAN, PHILIPPINES, PERU, POLAND, RUSSIA, SOUTH KOREA, UNITED KINGDOM (except Northern Ireland) and its dependent territories, and VIETNAM. Persons born in Hong Kong SAR, Macau SAR and Taiwan are eligible.

    The point being that until the law changes, USCIS deals with individuals from different countries differently.

    Concerning ROW retrogression, my H1b is an October expiry (I've been here since 1999) so I file my renewal in April (6 months in advance) with my i-140 approved I qualified for 3 years additional H1b. But with the fiasco quotas last May, June and July I was able i-485, however because USCIS issued a receipt for the i-485 they only gave me 12 months H1b renewal. then to add insult to the injury ROW retrogressed meaning another H1b renewal is likely.

    At some point I will have to decide whether to begin the H1b renewal process again.

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  • mbawa2574
    09-28 10:21 AM
    As completely unrelated these two issues are (from a law maker's perspective) on a normal day, these are possibly those times when each of these issues can help the other.

    IV has been discussing about the possibility of one for two solution (partial). The idea is to request congress to exempt EB applicants & their dependents from numerical limits of the Immigrant visas, if they buy a home. It is my belief that market sentiment is the most important thing in any financial market(s) and the housing prospects look pretty bleak. There are lot of members in the EB community that have NOT bought their own home, even though they could afford one because of the uncertainty with EB GC. IV's idea is to bridge the financial committees and judiciary committees in the House/Senate and see if corresponding Chairman/Ranking members are willing to listen. Things are moving so fast with the 700bn USD bail out plan and we will NOT have time to do things the normal way, through our counsel. We have to present this idea to the corresponding staff members of key members of congress (see list below) and see if this gets traction now or going forward.

    Please do not bring EB-5 discussion/comparison here. The proposed partial solution is different from EB-5 in that EB-5 investors invest money and we are investing in our future with a genuine intention of making USA our permanent home.

    If you already have a home, thats fine. Any such legislation will reduce the wait times in EB categories and we need housing markets to rebound for a safer economy before the ripple effects are felt every where.

    Who to write to

    Staff members(Chief of Staff, Legislative LA, Financial LA, Legislative Director) of Chairman/Ranking members of House/Senate Judiciary committee & Finance/Banking committee, Staff members of your representative and your senators. Please find staff members of the committees in the spreadsheet (

    You can find your representative & senator staff members on this website (

    Please use valid email addresses and NOT fictitious/junk mail. It undermines the whole purpose and our emails will be flagged by mail scanners / spam checkers as some thing similar to famous Nigeria bank account scams.

    Email Subject: Proposal to alleviate current US Housing/economic crisis



    This proposal alleviates the current US economic crisis, by motivating the US high skilled, legal immigrant workers to purchase homes. The size of this immigrant population is approximately 800,000 individuals. This effort if successful would inject up to US$ 20Billion approximately into the economy (approximately US$ 100 Billion in houses sold across the country) , while at the same time directing this money into the root cause of the economic crisis � the illiquidity of the national housing market. The above calculation is done
    assuming a median US home price of $212,400 and buyers making a down-payment of 20% of the cost of the home. Roughly estimating 400,000 buyers.


    Undoubtedly, we are all devastated by the shake up on Wall Street in the past 15 days. Experts agree that the underpinning problem is the housing crisis caused by sub-prime mortgage loans. Many of us, who cannot afford our monthly mortgage payments are losing homes and putting them up for sale and foreclosure, which further adds to the crisis. At the same time, most of the Employment-based (EB) immigrant community would like to purchase homes and make the United States a permanent home for their families. These EB immigrants however, are living in a state of limbo, mostly in rental apartments because of the delays and uncertainties involved with the EB immigration procedure. The wait times in EB categories are exacerbated by the delays in processing by USCIS, even though eligible applicants have filed for Permanent Residency also known as Adjustment of Status. Such processing delays have resulted in the wastage of 218,000 immigrant visa numbers (Page 52 of USCIS Ombudsman Annual report 2007). The current Department of State visa bulletin shows 7+ years of wait times in certain categories. We strongly believe that legislation can be worked out in such a way that the housing markets all over the country can move towards recovery, while at the same time motivating the Green Card applicants to catalyze this recovery.

    It should be noted that this proposal by no means brings more immigrant workers into the US. The workers in the EB, skilled category are already present in the US, doing skilled jobs that no US worker is available to do. They are part of the long queue of backlogged cases that USICIS will eventually process; however, this wait can take years and in that case could not be used as a tool to minimize the course of the current economic crisis.


    Congress can pass legislation that exempts EB green card applicants and their dependents from the numerical limits of visa numbers, provided applicant(s) have bought a home making 20% down payment on the sale price of the home, for a time period deemed necessary by the congress.

    How can Employment based Immigrants help alleviate the housing problem?

    (1) Employment based immigrants are highly skilled and are employed in occupations such as Software, IT, Health care, Energy, Finance, Education and Research & Development across the United States.

    (2) Average income of these individuals/households is around 65,000/130,000 USD.

    (3) All these Employment based immigrants have gone through Department of Labor�s recruiting process, which certifies that there is no willing, able and qualified US Citizen to do the job.

    (4) Most of the Employment based immigrants have excellent credit history and good source of income to make the payments needed for their home mortgage.

    (5) By requiring a 20% down payment from this group of buyers, Congress can directly channel this money to where it is need most � at the banks.

    (6) Employment based green card applicants have been living in the United States for 6-8 years. Many of them have US graduate degrees in their fields of expertise. These applicants are well versed with the American culture and will not change the cultural landscape.

    (7) Financial burden on US government and treasury will be reduced drastically if the glut of houses in the market decreases.

    As a member of the community that wants to make the US its permanent home, I want to contribute to a solution that helps USA and US during these tough times. I sincerely believe that the 30 year commitment on mortgages by Employment based immigrants in the housing market, backed by solid, risk free mortgages can turn the down ward spiral in the housing market into a upward spiral.


    This would be a great idea and anywaz US will have to do something out of box to resolve this crisis. They have already lost the status of economic superpower and this country is going towards breakdown in case they don't welcome immigrants who bring in/generate capital for this country. Protectionists really need to be shut off at this point of time.
    Now Questions is the best way to accomplish this ? In 2007, I wrote multiple emails to regarding this but never got a response. So if we can get this thought into their minds, this can resolve our issue and can give a good amount if relief to housing industry.

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  • breddy2000
    09-03 11:57 PM
    If you had a laugh on my post good for you. Should have given you some relief from YSR's death. I have been laughing, smiling and eating sweets since I knew the news.


    That's all I can say...Good Night and no more discussions about this.....Peace...

    08-18 01:28 PM
    People recommending lax security checks for so-called VIPs must not forget that IC-814 hijackers got bombs and guns on plane via VIP gates.

    Information on hijacked Indian Airlines aircraft, IC-814 (

    "A little while before the departure of IC-814 from Kathmandu, a Pakistan Embassy car (42 CD 14) arrived at the airport. Among the three officials who dismounted from the car and proceeded to the Departure Lounge was one who is believed to have supplied a consignment of RDX to a group of Punjabi militants in Kathmandu some years back."

    180 passengers were held hostages, 1 killed. 3 terrorist were released, who went on attacking Indian parliament, killing Daniel Pearl, planning 9/11 and training new militants.

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    03-16 12:23 PM
    All the people in the piple line are saved, but atleast it will prevent further misuse of this loophole.

    There should be some enquiry or auditing done on the old LC substituion cases and green cards revoked for those whose received theirs illegally and those visa numbers added back (wishful thinking).

    Any auditing done on these cases would reveal lots of scams and possibily avert others from being unscrupulous.

    Its so unfair that people jumb ahead of the que for upto 5 years using LC substitution.

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