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  • anilsal
    11-09 09:33 AM
    This discussion can go on and on. Here is my take.

    * US is one of the countries people are flocking into. Even lots of people from UK, Australia and Canada come here to settle.
    * Given this, whenever there are opportunities to lure people in, there will be takers and people who sell (like preapproved labor). If USCIS puts a stop on preapproved labor, then there will be other avenues to take advantage of.

    You may have others in your field/company who are less-educated than you, younger than you and earning more than you, so can you lose sleep over it? No! It is part of life.

    Just focus your energies on IV and its adoption. :)

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  • gjoe
    02-14 04:20 PM

    I could be a member of drink-raw-milk Club. Am I supposed to declare that on I-485? ;)

    Yes, I guess so. If the drink raw milk club is a registered orginization.

    Disclosure : I am not a lawyer, please check with your legal just save that money for a rainy day

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  • unitednations
    02-13 12:12 PM
    Forgot to mention one more thing.

    They don't need to get the greencard approved before the i-94 card expires.

    They only need to file the 485 within six months of expiry of the I-94 card. Once the 485 is filed then they are in a period of authorized stay.

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  • chanduv23
    02-13 10:11 AM

    I know in the past many times it was debated -- why people do not support? Let me put forth what I feel.

    Effort put by IV is very commendable. But the beneficiary of IV work (mostly) do not give importance to Green Card. That is what I think based on talking to multiple people and that is what we see from the % participation of people for various fruitful effort put forth by IV. Most of them say they do not care if they get GC or not. In their heart of heart they may but not too much.

    Other reason I can think of is -- There could be doubt in minds of many people of IV strength. The day IV gets some success, people will rally behind IV for a while. And that is the scenario outside world too. See the stock price. If the company is doing good, stock price goes up. The day one bad news comes, stocks falls down. Take the presidential election. You can very well make out that contribution by company or people is proportional to candidate wins. If you are loosing, contribution will dry out very fast. I am not saying that candidate will not have supporter but that would be less in number. Take N.T. Rama Rao case. The day Naidu ditched him and others followed him, no officials gave importance to NTR.

    Believe me, in my office or outside, I have talked to every Indian. And not one comes back n discusses with me about IV.

    I strongly feel IV is doing a commendable job with some dedicated contributors.

    Well - Thats what I have noticed, but people go nowhere nor do they do anything for themselves. More than interest, I think people do not want to get into these things, no one wants to take unwanted risks - as thats how people percieve it. A lot of people feel IVs protocols are tough - I don't think askig people to send letters is tough.

    Talking about organization's successes - IV is not a software company attracting people to buy shares or seek advantage - for the nth time - this is not a software or IT project or a wall street financial. WSe must come out of that mind sets.

    AMAN KAPOOR, JAY PRADHAN, HIMANSHU and everyone who are on the forefront are JUST ORDINARY COMMON PEOPLE LIKE EVERYONE HERE. the idea behind IV is to provide a support network. If people want to see success - they HAVE to be a part of it. The efforts of such organizations is not to make profits and then sell shares and perform well and then make people join it, it is to provide with a platform where people can help themselves.

    We are having issues - green card delays - lets think of it as an ailment that needs to be cured. Now lets do something about it. Lets go to a doctor - a doctor does not guarantee that they will cure u but gives you advice, treats you and gives you medicine and asks you to follow certain protocols. That is exactly what IV is.

    Our primary issue is in our thought process. We want to do everything, we want everything in the world BUT we do not want to stand up and rise in unity. We want to blame IV leaders saying they are rude and pushy. We come up with discussion threads saying we must do this we must do that and finally we see these discussions just getting buried.

    Good examples of how communities thrive anywhere in the world are the Jewish community and the Patel community. The only reason they have succeeded is because they believe in themselves and their cause - they are all over the world and are united, they have managed to make their lives easier by uniting for their causes.

    Look at us - if green card is delayed - we say - I dont care about it, India is rising - but are we going there? No way - no one who says "India is rising" will go - in fat they will be the first to apply for any immigration benefit.

    Why are we individually so highly skilled and intelligent and capable but collectively so naive? Why do we always want others to do it for us? is it because if there is any opposition the active ones will be affected and we can escape? is it cowardice that stops us from being united?

    What is success? How can we achieve success? Why are we finding excuses for not doing our part? Why do we always want to praise others but not do something?


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  • pmpforgc
    03-29 06:34 PM
    Thank you for your personal opinion. India was doing well when Vajpayee was PM. He is not some management honcho. It is a vision of the person that is more important. Manmohan is a learned man and has provided country with real good service but real power rests with Sonia and her son Rahul.

    Hence. Its a question of ideology in the long run and given my background, BJP govt suits me better than Congress. So I prefer Advani over Sonia.


    I mostly agree with you about Bajpai and Sonia. Bajpai is really a visionary and was good for India.

    But we are not talking about Bajpai any more, We are talking baout Advani. He is not Bajpau and he is not visonary like Bajpai he is only Taksadhuu like all other politicians.

    I would surely prefer MODI, MANMOHAN, Chidambaram even LALU compare to ADVANI to manage India as Priminister.

    We are talking about Who should be Priminister of India, not which party should rule.

    So try to be more specific when you reply next time.

    I dont go by Party, even in BJP in Gujarat Keshubahi was Worst CM for state where as Modi from Same party is really good. so we should look at who will manage country in the end. I agree that Bajpai and Manmohan has done good job. But not Advani he should be even next to Mayawati in line to be PM !!

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  • Tito_ortiz
    03-14 12:02 PM
    Just fill out the forms and submit them. It is very easy. It took 6 months for me to get the PR in the Socialist Canada. Then it took 1 month for me I should get out of there quickly. Very low pace, not many high level employment, high taxes. I visited a friend there last weekend. In Vancouver, it rains like hell and it is depressing to me. I said, darn, why am I living here? If I am not going to have significant career advancement, I should go back home than staying here enjoying this rain. In Toronto it is cold like hell. Go there and spend a couple of weeks and see if you like it. People are usually friendly there. In the end, it depends on how bad is back home when compared to Canada. Good luck.

    Hi, I am seriously planning to start Canadian immigration after wasting 7 years of my life in chasing GC. Can anybody suggest some good lawyers/attorneies/agencies who are not money suckers like US immigration attornies ? Also, somebody mentioned that one can apply Can immigration by himself. Is there any issue with that ?


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  • boreal
    07-21 05:23 PM
    People can loose a lot of money in this "business"... 20K in 4 years is petty... literally.

    Once you achieve some level in this business, your "uplines" start pestering you to do 300PV every month instead of 100PV. Each PV is about $2.50 + tax + Shipping so 300PV = $800 a month. Most of this $800 stuff is at least with 300% markup and many of the things that we didn't need. So even if we take $200 as waste out of $800, in 4 years, I lost $200x12x4 = $9,600


    Thanks for explaining how this works!! I only avoided them and never heard their pitches, but looks like they go through an awful lot. No wonder why they keep at it even if everyone avoids them like plague. Now I am feeling sorry for all the cold shoulders that i gave them so far. Anyway, those ppl have reduced in the bay area somewhat..I am here since more than ten years now and I have seen that the folks that keep pestering me out in the malls, Kohls, Target etc are dwindling. Maybe they are coming to their senses and learning that there are decent ways to earn money.

    Having said all these, someone was suggesting that we maintain a central database and malign them further. Thats pure evil man! Why go to these extremes? Just ignore them and they will go their way - yeah they are a nuisance, but nothing more, right? They are still humans!

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  • _TrueFacts
    09-03 11:48 PM
    Wow supporting to your own alias comments... And on top of it creating multiple IDs to increase your reputation.

    Is this not how you break the system????....This is called Corruption my friend....

    I can't help myself Laugh the hell out your stupid behavior of yours....LOL

    This is not your YSR's factionist land to be afraid off. Same id or not, you can't pick a hair.


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  • whoever
    02-14 01:11 PM
    what are cir timelines. it seems march 15th is lobby day. i read from recent postings.

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  • chanduv23
    02-14 02:22 PM
    Please be advised, that IV will not endorse this. If people are gathering here and in places like , please form your own mailing group and proceed.

    Those who are on this thread, if you have not yet sent the letter to President for the Admin fix campaign, please send it, and help IV make the grassroots campaign successful.


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  • PlainSpeak
    01-13 02:11 PM
    IV works in the interests of both EB2 and EB3 as amitjoey mentioned. we cannot create a Bill to get relief for only one category.
    There already exists an very small, unsuccesful org for just EB3 that core is aware of, and they consider IV as their competitors because
    1. They do not understand and know nothing of how IV works (just like plainspeak)
    2. They want to get donations and members away from IV and make money

    These statements give her away. This is what they do try to pressurize IV to do their agenda. Enough said. Ignore the sales agent. They are trying to incite a fight between EB2 and EB3 just to split IV.

    The other posts were just a diversion to show you are not completely rogue. You just have a single agenda - to promote your organization.
    Wow can one person with an idea make such a difference or is IV an organiation with such a deep sense of hostility that they see enemies everywhere

    I am a simple person who does my job and helps people when i can and yes like every human i have ideas and hopes. Now when i get an idea about an invention i would go to the patents forum and when i get and idea about say investing i would go to an investing forum. Now when i got an idea related to immigration i have come to the forum which stands like a beacon for all immigration community or are you incapable of recognising the fact that that IV (and that means all you guys in in) is big hugh and was doing the right thing when no one else was.
    Even now i do not think what IV is doing is wrong. I have differences with the outcome of their approach becasue i feel that this approach wil be bad for EB3. Out of all the people commenting out here there has been NOT even ONE person who has tried to understand the reason for why i feel EB3 is going to get in bad shape. Not one has tried to understand what i have been trying to say that NO big or small immigration bill will pass anytime soon and this will lead to EB2 retrogration which will be going against the statement which all you people like to say that is that EB2wil become current and EB3 will get better later so do not rock the boat
    And yes i choose not to donate and participate because on principle

    There already exists an very small, unsuccesful org for just EB3 that core is aware of, and they consider IV as their competitors because
    And yes i am sure there are many such organizations which may have been started as competition toIV and are not succesfull. Now if i was a fool i would go down the same path but i am not and i have realized that IV is the only vehcial of change. Now when IV tends to speak of EB retrogression they are sepaking on my behalf and when they are doing something on my behalf and if i feel what ever is being done is being determintal to my GC case am i not supposed to even ask IV.

    So let me get this straight you are using my GC case as a reference in your charter and i have no say in what you do with my case. I wish i had a lawyer to back me up on this. Just Kidding!

    1. They do not understand and know nothing of how IV works (just like plainspeak)
    2. They want to get donations and members away from IV and make money
    Hey keep your money to yourselves i do not want your money. Hey if things pan out i might even start contributing to IV.

    These statements give her away. This is what they do try to pressurize IV
    You guys are so pathetic and lame. Do you think anyone needs a plan to scare you guys. All i did was start and email thread which had nothing scary, no abuse, no threats only a request for discussion and also and understanding that things may not work out and with all this 3/4th of you guys are running around scared like headless chickens and using abuse and threat.

    So take my word for it. You guys are a bunch of scardy cats. I am surprised how you do lobyying. Must be some realy tough guys and gals in the core team otherwise you guys would have destroyed IV by now. Please do not try to get into core and destroy it, they are doing a good job without you knee jerk reactionist spoiling it for them

    The other posts were just a diversion to show you are not completely rogue. You just have a single agenda - to promote your organization

    Do you think some one would go to all this length of providing helpful posts and do all the drege work all to just convince you. Please do not think so high about yourselves. As i said before to scare you all i need to do is write one post and that is not my strength that is you guys weakness whcih is on display here.
    And what single agenda and organization are you talking about as far as i am comcerned there is only one organzation for EB Retrogression relief and that is IV
    All my other posts are genuine and they have been written because in some cases i genuenly fell the need to speak up seeing how you guys shoot down anything rElated to EB3 without seing the merits and pros and cons of it and in some cases i felt i could share info with someone who was looking for some answers whcih should have been answered by you guys but all of you were busy abusing my other posts. Actually i takethat back there were some other people from iV who repliesd back so sorry about that.

    Why is it so hard to understand that this is a genuine person with a genuine query not some anti imigrant or competitor to IV. You guys are like the CID in Mash 4077 (google that if you want calrification) who see enemies of the country everywhere and are paraniod about everyone.

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  • alisa
    02-13 02:04 PM
    Is the cumulative effect of all three measures good for me (reduced wait time, or no change in wait time), or bad for me (increased wait time.)?

    I read this, and I was referring to this:

    If you think a little extra time you need to spend in the queue is turning you so angry, what goes in the mind of a person who has to spend twice or thrice as much time in the same queue, for no fault of his/hers?

    So, does recapture and the increase in quota and the removal of the country limits, result in a greater wait time for me, as the comment above seems to imply. It would, if the recapture and the increase are not large enough to offset the effects of the removal of the per-country limit on ROW.

    Coz if it does, then I don't have an incentive to support your goals, do I?

    If you see the entire post, you will see that the agenda is

    1) Increasing GC numbers
    2) Recapturing numbers and instituting permanent Rollover mechanisms
    3) Eliminate country quotas

    Part 1 and 2 would help everyone from around the world. While 3 would benefit citizens of a few countries more than others, all it is saying is STOP discriminating in employment based green cards on basis of country of origin. You are not BORN with skills and neither does being born in country A make you more SKILLED than being born in country B.

    If you want to see 3 as being the reason to not participate, that you are implicitly condoning discrimination against people born in certain country even though you will benefit equally from 1 and 2.


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  • reddy77
    09-23 02:10 PM
    Yes, mine was approved a month back without any hassles and bought the home ....

    Has anybody really tried to get a mortgage recently? I have been denied by 8 lenders so far simply because I don't have a green card. Most lenders have tightened their underwriting guidelines. They will give mortgages only to U.S.Citizens or somebody who is a permanent resident aka having a green card. There are very very few lenders who will give mortgages to somebody on a visa and the rates may not be very favorable.

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  • thomachan72
    03-27 03:11 PM
    people went to see another guy taking oath too, who caused recent genocide in Iraq.. Indian PMs are way better than that asshole. Atleast they are only corrupt and dont cause genocide.


    are you sure?? or did you mean that they did not have the means to make that much damage??? US could afford Bush because, see what is happening now... an almost perfect young and highly motivated guy is cleaning up the mess. but that is not the case in india. each one leaves the office with more mess.


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  • Jerrome
    07-17 12:36 AM
    Since no one knows how many of pre 2004 EB2/EB3 are pending for India or ROW, it is very difficult to predict where the PD would be at 2008 november. Whoever feels the numbers less suggests EB2 india PD would move forward, whoever feels the numbers are more suggests it will move slower.

    But this is what my assumption is USCIS/DOS would start will less number of Visas for starting of year, let us say 900 for EB2(I) on november 08. There is a possibility that EB3 to EB2 conversion, Missed out old PD cases etc would result in getting EB2 going backwards...This would be the case for first 2 to 3 quarters, even if it moves it would in couple of months.Again based on EB3(ROW) demand next year end EB2(I) may or may not move forward fast.
    One thing for sure spill over happens only during the last quarter, be it horizontal or vertical.

    But this years move would make some people lucky to get GC even if their PD is in 2006. Again this is all my assumptions..

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  • skp71
    02-19 03:02 AM
    When will it move to Septermber, 12 2002(another 42 days)? Any idea guys? Thanks.


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  • sk2006
    08-15 03:56 PM
    Your argument sounds like "Yes we do harass our own people here. So there is nothing wrong in harassing other country people"

    Yes people feel harassed but security norms are there for a reason.
    They are not magicians who would look at the face of the person and find if he is a good guy or not. Are they?

    Read this link:

    Don�€™t make a big deal of Shah Rukh�€™s detention:One For The Road:Anand Soondas's blog-The Times Of India (

    quote from this link:
    "Interestingly, the same day that SRK was detained in Newark, there came news that the great Bob Dylan, who was wandering around Long Branch, near New York City, sometime back, was asked for an ID by two cops too young to know who he really was. When he couldn’t furnish one, he was taken right back to the resort where he was putting up and staff there vouched for him. And America is Dylan’s own country."
    "There are two layers to the SRK incident and we must peel them off with care. One, it is quite ridiculous that Indians feel their icons and superstars are everybody’s icons and superstars. What the heck? If Jet Li came to India tomorrow, the man on the street here would probably call him ‘`Chinky’’ and not give a second look. For that matter, what if G�rard Depardieu came travelling. How many would know him? Matt Damon was here recently and there wasn’t a traffic jam in Delhi. These guys are huge back home. Moreover, America doesn’t have a culture of fawning the way India has. Mike Tyson was treated like a common rapist and spent most part of his youth in the slammer. Winona Ryder was sentenced to a three-year probation for shoplifting. Chinese born Hollywood actress Bai Ling was fined US 200 dollars for petty theft.

    More importantly, we are actually aggrieved because we are ``not like them’’. Well, guess what. It isn’t a virtue. We should be like them and take the security of our country and its people with solemn, no-nonsense professionalism.
    We are just whimpering over here like hurt puppies because we feel, ``Oh, but we don’t do it to them’’. Oh no, we don’t. And it’s a scandal. We should.
    So instead of making SRK’s detention an issue, we should think of upgrading our own security set-up.
    There’s a lesson in this. And it is a positive one. A day after our own 26/11, there was hardly any security at CST in Mumbai. It can’t get worse than that. The bottom line: Stop fawning, shed the colonial hangover and make no compromise where the country’s safety is concerned."

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  • ujjvalkoul
    10-04 10:40 AM

    Once u sent ur application, did nt u have to go for an interview and then a Physical. Also, I have heard that to get PR stamped onto ur passport, u actually need to physically enter Canada. Kindly confirm?

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  • ss1026
    03-29 01:38 PM
    To those ignorants or idiots who voted for Rahul Gandhi or Sonia Gandhi:

    This is a book shows facts about Nehru Dynasty in India:

    US just elected a President who father and step father are Muslims. And that is great and the world appreciates that because it shows that this country can judge a person by his skills or character and not get stuck in bigoted views about muslims or other minorities. And we love this country for that

    But when it comes to India, don't you think of voting for Rahul gandhi because he might have some blood of either a parsi or ('god forbid') muslim in him. That certainly should dis qualify him, shouldn't it. Nepotism is certainly bad but this takes the cake. Dont vote for him because he might be 10% parsi/muslim (I am sure you have not forgotten about the italian heritage but you can raise that later). But certainly criminals and perpetrators of Genocide would be desirable PM choices. Rock on

    04-01 01:07 PM
    I remeber how brutal Imran used to be to Indian openers with his deadly in-swinger. Those were days of good cricket ... a classy cricket. Outside cricket Imran still commands respect for being honorable and honest person.

    On other hand our Azhar is one of those who will sell his own mother for money. A disgrace to cricket world. Comparing him to Imran is like comparing Lion in Jungle to a Hyenna ( no disrespect to reading Hyenna).

    Few years back bunch of cricketers originating from AP here in MI sponsored him and his wife to visit here. I was invited by come and shake hand and photograph with this bookie and his beautiful wife. Majority of people having self-respect politely rejected the invitation. Now I hear he is trying to become bookie in New Delhi. Good Luck!

    I think Azhar is the best candidate. He has a long experience of bribing, corruption, managing team of corrups and deceiving the country :).

    06-26 12:39 PM
    There is possibility that retrogression begins in August. The USCIS maail department will acept only those cases the clerk could manually enter into the system by July 31st and then send all those applications back which he could not enter manually

    IV Roumor thread - lets give the 'Best roumour of the day' award to the most convincing roumor .....

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